Friday, April 06, 2012

What could be the counterpart of T-duality in TGD framework?

Stephen Crowell sent me a book of Michel Lapidus about zeros of Riemann zeta and also about his own ideas in this respect. The book has been written in avery lucid manner and looks very interesting. The big idea is that the T-duality of string models could correspond to the functional equation for Riemann zeta relating the values of zeta at different sides of the critical line. T-duality is formulated for strings in space Md× S1 or its generalization replacing S1 with higher-dimensional torus and generalized to fractal strings. Duality states that the transformation R→ 1/R with suitable unit for R defined by string tension is a duality: the physics for these different values of R is same. Intuitively this is due to the fact that the contributions of the string modes representing n-fold winding and those representing vibrations labelled by integer n are transformed to each other in the transformation R→ 1/R.

Lapidus is a mathematician and mathematicians often do not care too much about the physical meaning of the numbers. For a physicist like me it is extremely painful to type the equation R→ 1/R without explicitly explaining that it should actually read as R→ R02/R, where R0 is length unit, which must represent fundamental length scale remaining invariant under the duality transformation. Only after this physicist could reluctantly put R0=1 but still would feel himself guilty of unforgivable sloppiness. R0=1 simplifies the formulas but one must not forget that there are three scales involved rather than only two. The question inspired by this nitpicking is how the physics in the length scales R1 and R relates to the physics in length scale R. Are dualities - or perhaps holography like relations in question- so that T-duality would follow from these dualities?

Could one replace winding number with magnetic charge and T-duality with canonical identification?

How could one generalize T-duality to TGD framework? One should identify the counterpart of the winding number, the three fundamental scales, and say something about the duality transformation itself.

  1. In TGD Universe partonic 2-surfaces are the basic object. Partonic 2-surface is not strings and the only reasonable generalization for winding number is as Kähler magnetic charge representing the analog of winding of the partonic 2-surface around magnetically charged 2-sphere of CP2. Magnetic charge tells how many times partonic 2-surface wraps around the homologically non-trivial geodesic sphere with unit magnetic charge. If the generalization of T-duality holds true, one would expect that the contributions of the oscillations and windings of the partonic two-surface to ground state energy must be transformable to each other by the counterpart of the transformation R→ R02/R - or something akin to that. Also less concrete and more general interpretations are possible, and below the most plausible interpretation will be considered.

  2. The duality R→ R_0^2/R= R1 gives R_0 as a geometric mean R_0=(RR1)1/2 of the scales R and R1. What are these three length scales in TGD Universe? The obvious candidate for R is CP2 size scale. p-Adic mass calculations imply that the primary p-adic length scale Lp,1= p1/2R is of order of Compton length of the elementary particle characterized by the p-adic prime p. The secondary p-adic length scale Lp,2= pR in turn defines the size scale of causal diamond (CD) assignable to the magnetic body of the elementary particle characterized by prime p. For instance, for electron this scale corresponds to .1 seconds, a fundamental biological time scale.

    One indeed has Lp,1= (Lp,2R)1/2, and CP2 scale and CD length scale are dual to each other if T-duality holds true. Therefore the duality would relate physics at CP2 scale - counterpart of Planck length in TGD framework - and in biological scales and would have direct relevance to quantum biology. One has an infinite hierarchy of p-adic length scales and each of them would give rise to one particular instance of the T-duality. Adeles would provide appropriate formulation of T-duality in TGD framework. The corresponding mass scales would be hbar/R, hbar/p1/2R and hbar/pR. The third scale corresponds to a scale, which for electron corresponds to the 10 Hz frequency in the case of photons. The duality would suggest that the physics associated with the frequencies in EEG scale related to the communications from the biological body to magnetic body is dual to the physics in CP2 scale.

    Note that one cannot exclude alternative variants of T-duality. In particular, Planck scale and CP2 length scale as candidates R1 and R could be considered.

  3. What is the interpretation of these three length scales? CP2 length scale corresponds naturally to the size scale of wormhole contacts. They are Euclidian regions of space-time surface and represent lines of generalized Feynman graphs. Both general arguments and the construction of elementary bosons forces to assign to these regions braid strands playing a role of Euclidian strings. Parallel translation along the strands is essential in the construction of fermionic bilinears as invariant under general coordinate transformations and gauge transformations. The ends of these strands carry fermion and anti-fermion numbers. The counterpart of string tension involved appearing in stringy mass formula implied by super-conformal invariance is indeed determined by R and p-adic thermodynamics leads to a detailed and successful calculations for elementary particle masses using only p-adic thermodynamics, super-conformal invariance, and p-adic length scale hypothesis as basic assumptions.

  4. The wormhole throats carrying fermion number are Kähler magnetic monopoles and the wormhole must be accompanied by a second wormhole throat carrying opposite magnetic charge and also a neutrino pair neutralizing the weak isospin so that weak massivation takes place. The end of the flux tube containing the neutrino pair is virtually non-existent at low energies. The length scale for this string must correspond to Compton length for elementary particle given essentially by primary p-adic length scale Lp,1. The more restrictive assumption that this length scale corresponds to the Compton length of weak bosons looks un-necessarily restrictive and looks also un-natural.

  5. The excitations with mass scale hbar/pR would correspond to excitations assignable to entire CD, maybe assignable to the flux tubes of the magnetic bodies of elementary particles defining also string like objects but in macroscopic scales. For electron the scale is of order of the circumference of Earth. This dynamics would naturally correspond to the dynamics in Minkowskian space-time regions. The dynamics at intermediate length scale would be intermediate between the Euclidian and Minkowskian dynamics and reduce to that for light-like orbits of partonic 2-surfaces with metric intermediate between Minkowskian and Euclidian.

  6. A natural interpretation for T-duality in this sense is in terms of strong form of holography. The interior dynamics at length scale R resp. pR assigned to Euclidian resp. Minkowskian regions of space-time surface corresponds by holography to the dynamics of light-like orbits of partonic 2-surfaces identified as wormhole throats. Therefore the dynamics in Euclidian and Minkowskian regions are dual to each other. Therefore T-duality in TGD sense would follow from the possibility of having both Euclidian and Minkowskian holography. Strong form of holography in turn reduces to strong form of General Coordinate Invariance, which has turned out to be extremely powerful principle in TGD framework.

Is the physics of life dual to the physics in CP2 scale?

The duality of life with elementary particle physics at CP2 length scale - the TGD counterpart of Planck scale - looks rather far-fetched idea. There is however already earlier support for this idea.

  1. p-Adic physics is physics of cognition, and one can say that living systems are in the algebraic intersection of real and p-adic worlds: the intersection of cognition and matter. Canonical identification maps p-adic physics to real physics. This map takes p-adic integers which are small in p-adic sense to larger integers in real sense and thus maps long real scales to short real scales. Clearly this map is jhighly analogous to the T-duality. p-Adic length scales are indeed explicitly related with the above identification of the T-duality so that canonical identification might be involved with T-duality.

    If this interpretation is correct, cognitive p-adic representations in long real length scales would give representations for the physics in short length scales. EEG range of frequencies allowing communication to the magnetic bodies is absolutely essential for brain function. CDs would correspond to the real physics scale associated with the cognitive representations. These cognitive representations are indeed exactly what our science is building so that T-duality would make also scientist as a part of the big vision!

  2. The model for dark nucleons as three quark states led to one of the greatest surprises of my professional life. Under rather general conditions the three quark states for nucleon are in one-one correspondence with the DNA, RNA, tRNA codons, and aminoacids for vertebrate genetic code and there is natural physical correspondence between DNA triplets and aminoacids. This suggests that genetic code is realized at the level of hadrons and that living matter is a kind of emulation for it, or that living matter is representation for matter at hadron level. This leads to rather far reaching speculations about biological evolution - not as random process - but a process analogous R&D applied in industry. New genes would be continually tested at the level of dark matter and the modifications of genome could be carried out if there is a transcription process transforming dark DNA to ordinary DNA.

  3. The secondary p-adic mass scale of electron corresponds to the 10 Hz frequency, which defines a fundamental biorhythm. Also to current quark masses, which are actually not so well-known but are in MeV range, one can assign biologically interesting time scales in millisecond range. This suggests that all elementary particles induce physics in macroscopic time scales via their CD:s containing their magnetic bodies.

The unavoidable and completely crazy looking question raised by T-duality is whether there is intelligent life in the Euclidian realm below the CP2 length scale - inside the lines of generalized Feynman graphs. This kind of possibility cannot be avoided if one takes holography absolutely seriously. In purely mathematical sense TGD suggests even stronger form of holography based on the notion of infinite primes. In this holography the number theoretic anatomy of given space-time point is infinitely complex and evolves. The notion of quantum mathematics replacing numbers by Hilbert spaces representing ordinary arithmetics in terms of direct sum and tensor product suggest the same. Space-time point would be in this picture its own infinitely complex Universe - the Platonia.

Could one get expression for Kähler coupling strength from restricted form of modular invariance?

The contributions to the exponent of the vacuum functional, which is proportional to Kähler action for preferred extremal, are real resp. imaginary in Euclidian resp. Minkowskian regions. Under rather general assumptions (weak form of electric-magnetic duality defining boundary conditions at wormhole throats plus additional intuitively plausible assumption) these contributions are proportional to the same Chern-Simons term but with possibly different constant of proportionality.

These terms sum up to a Chern-Simons term with a coefficient analogous to the complex inverse gauge coupling

τ=θ/2π + i4π/g2K .

The real part would correspond to Kähler function coming from Euclidian regions defining the lines of generalized Feynman diagrams and imaginary part to Minkowskian regions. There are could arguments suggesting that With the conventions that I have used θ/2π is counterpart for 1/αK and there are good arguments that it corresponds to finte structure constant in electron length scale. Furthermore, T-duality would suggest that τ is proportional to 1+i so that one would have

θ/2π = 4π/g2K .

This condition would fit nicely with the fact that Chern-Simons contributions from Minkowskian and Euclidian regions are identical. If this equation holds true the modular transformations must reduce to those leaving this relationship invariant and can only permute the complex and real parts and thus leave τ invariant. One could also interpret this value of τ as physically especially interesting representation and assign to all values of τ related by modular transformation an isotropy group leaving it fixed. All other physically equivalent values would be obtained as SL(2,Z) orbit of this value.

The counterpart of T-duality should somehow relate dynamics in Minkowskian and Euclidian regions and this raises the question whether it corresponds to τ→ iτ and is represented by some duality transformation

τ→ (aτ+b)/(cτ+d) ,

where (a,b;c,d) defines a unimodular matrix (ad-bc=1) with integer elements, that is in SL(2,Z). The electric-magnetic duality τ→ -1/τ and the shift τ→ τ+1 are the generators of this group. It is not however quite clear whether they can be regarded as gauge symmetries in TGD framework. If they are gauge symmetries, then the critical values of Kähler coupling strength defined as fixed points of coupling constant evolution must form an orbit of SL(2,Z). It could be also that modular symmetry is broken to a subgroup of SL(2,Z) and this subgroup leaves τ invariant in the case of minimal symmetry.

  1. τ→ iτ would permute Euclidian and Minkowskian regions with each other and is therefore a candidate for the T-duality. This condition cannot be satisfied in generic case but one can ask whether for some special choices of τ these transformations could generate a non-trivial sub-group of modular transformations. This subgroup

    To see whether this is the case let us write explicitly the condition τ→ iτ:

    (aτ +b)/(cτ+d)= θ/2π+ i/αK , αK= g2K/4π .

    The condition allows to solve τ as

    τ= ((a-id)/2c)× [1+ε1(1+ 4ibc/(d-ia)2)1/2)] , ε1=+/- 1 .

  2. For

    d=ε a , ε=+/- 1

    implying a2-bc=1, the solution simplifies since the argument of square root is real. One has

    τ= (a/2c)(1-ε i)[1+ε1 (1-ε (a-1/a)1/2)1/2] .

    The imaginary and real parts of τ are identical: this might allow an interpretation in terms of the fact that Chern-Simons terms from two regions are identical (normal derivatives are however discontinuous at wormhole throat). Certainly this is a rather strong prediction.

  3. Does this mean that SL(2,C) is broken down to the 4-element isotropy group generated by this transformation? If so, a the condition just deduced could allow to deduce additional constraints on the value of Kähler coupling strength, which is in principle fixed by the criticality condition to have only finite number of values? By the earlier arguments - related to p-adic mass calculations and the heuristic formula for the gravitational constant - the value of Kähler coupling strength is in a good approximation equal to fine structure constant at electron length scale:

    αK =gK2/4π≈ α , 1/α≈ 137.035999084 .

  4. One obtains the following estimate for a/2c from the estimate for αK by considering the imaginary part of τ:

    (a/2c)[1+ε1 (1-ε(a-1/a)1/2)1/2]= 1/αK .

    At the limit a→ ∞ one has

    (a/2c)[[1+ε1 (1-ε)1/2 ]= 1/αK .

    The simplest option at this limit corresponds to ε=1 giving a/2c≈ 137.035999084 .

    Note that a/2c=137 is not allowed by determinant condition so that the deviation of αK from 1/137 is predicted. One must have a>137× 2c≥ 2× 137. This implies

    1+ε1(1-(a-1/a)1/2)1/2 =1+.0026 ε1 .

    By expanding the square root in first order to Taylor series one obtains the condition

    (a/2c)× (1+ε1/23/2× 137 c)≈ 1/αK .

    For large enough values of a and c it is possible to have arbitrary good approximation to fine structure constant. Note that the integers a and c cannot have common factors since this together with determinant condition a2-bc=1 would lead to contradiction.

For a pdf version of this article see What could be the counterpart of T-duality in TGD framework? or the chapter Miscellaneous topics of "Quantum TGD as Infinite-Dimensional Geometry".


At 9:54 PM, Anonymous ◘Fractality◘ said...


Would you say that the magnetosphere is analogous to the plasmasphere?


At 12:48 AM, Anonymous ◘Fractality◘ said...


In regards to TGD cosmology/consciousness:

In summary, for a thousand years during the "Era of the Gods," from about 4200 BC to 3100 BC, it was Paradise on Earth. The climate in the Middle East was mild and wet. With Earth in an orbit below Saturn, the Sun would not have been at the center of the orbit. The northern hemisphere would have faced the Sun year-round, and there would not have been the drastic changes in seasons we experience today. Mankind lived in harmony with the Gods, who supplied the techniques of agricultural cultivation, the plans for cities and temples, and the knowledge of the wheel, writing, and music. And for a thousand years the images in the sky provided a spectacular show.

The interplanetary plasma flow must also have built up an enormous amount of static electric charge in the upper atmosphere, to the point where mountain peaks would have been under continuous lightning discharges. And in addition to the electrostatic charges of the atmosphere, mankind was subjected for a thousand years to a varying magnetic field, a by-product of the rotating Birkeland current. If this arcing was even occasionally of the right amplitude and frequency, this could have had a long-term beneficial effect on the psyches of the humans. I have long suspected some such secondary results from an arc discharge. Research at Harvard's McLean Psychiatric Research Hospital has demonstrated the effects of an oscillating low-level magnetic field. To quote from a patent application, the use of a localized magnetic field is indicated for subjects with symptoms of "anxiety, moodiness, depression, lethargy, sleepiness, learning difficulties, and memory impairments."

At 6:18 AM, Blogger Ulla said...

Open systems are linked in?

The effects of magnetic fields on Earth are mostly adverse, but not always (Becker). Magnetic fields are mostly speeding up the cell cycle. Why?

There are so much bogus with magnetism. Em-fields in mm-frequency (that also has a magnetic field) has impact on cellcycle and can cure cancer to some degree (Dejan Rakovic).

At 8:38 PM, Anonymous said...

To Fractality:

Wikipedia definition of plasmasphere ( identifies it as inner magnetosphere, a part of Earth's magnetosphere which rotates with Earth. Outer magnetosphere is not included in this definition with plasmasphere. There is plasma-sheet in the non-rotating outer magnetosphere extending to rather large distances at the dark side of Earth.

At 8:52 PM, Anonymous said...

To Fractality: Jaynes has to my opinion a highly interesting theory about evolution of human consciousness. The bicamerality is his term. During this period humans would have been like children getting orders and help from God, which I tend to identify as collective consciousness. Jaynes compares them to schizophrenics.

The magnetic body of Earth, or their personal magnetic bodies fusing to that associated with the group their belonged might be an interpretation for their God. I discussed some time ago the experiments of Persinger with "god helmet" in similar spirit.

If one wants, one can say that self hierarchy as God at the top. But there would be infinitely many levels between which are god like to us below. From this viewpoint it is sad that religion turned to monoteism and allowed only single boss acting as the supreme dictator.

More modern God would delegate and use modern theories about good leadership to make world better;-). It is not very intelligent to kill all the lower gods - even own Son - but this is the habit of dictators;-).

At 9:59 PM, Anonymous ◘Fractality◘ said...


Do interactions with the plasmasphere/inner magnetosphere have different effects on consciousness than interactions with the outer magnetosphere?

I've been reading your book on Semitrance and Civilization and have made many connections.

The following is some excerpts of those connections:

Within a hundred years of the initial disturbance of 3147 BC, both Mesopotamia and Egypt rebound to achieve the most stupendous growth in civilization ever seen. (Both also initiate the first dynasties.) This rebound stands as one of the most amazing facts of prehistory, a blooming of civilization often noted as "unsurpassed" by historians and archaeologists. This is duplicated in other places, as if the world suddenly woke up. Large-scale cultivation starts up right after 3000 BC in West Africa, the Indus valley (Pakistan), China, Southeast Asia, Mesoamerica, and South America. Agricultural production in Mesopotamia increases as never before, monumental stone architecture soon takes a leap forward in Egypt, trade is expanded, and writing suddenly proliferates.

In spite of this progress, however, both Mesopotamia and Egypt remain conservative and rooted in the past. The temple religions and economies are now more tightly integrated into society than ever and become the justification for the kings and pharaohs who rise to fill the void left by the departed Gods.

The universal lack of an elite before 3100 BC is an outstanding and inexplicable difference between the culture before and after the flood of 3147 BC. Today we simply cannot imagine the existence of large egalitarian societies which somehow accomplished the extensive irrigation projects, food production, and trade which existed before 3100 BC. We are much more comfortable with conditions after 3100 BC, when kings, pharaohs, and emperors show up to lead the people.

We are a gregarious species and although we do not seek out leadership, after the removal of the powerful Gods, anyone who reached out to lead the people, would have been willingly accepted. Perhaps it was cast as a benign care-taking initially. The first kings in Sumer are known as the "shepherds of the people." The new leaders everywhere take on the role of the Gods.

At 12:19 AM, Anonymous said...

To Fractality:

The magnetic fields in outer magnetosphere do not rotate with respect to Earth and are much weaker. I have the vague memory that their strength is in nanoTesla range in plasma sheet.

The endogenous magnetic field assignable to personal magnetic body would have strength of B_E=.2 Gauss or .2* 10^-4 Tesla (2/5 of the nominal strength of Earth's B). Of course also other strengths are involved but this strength reveals itself in the experiments of pioneers of bio-electromagnetism - such as Blackman.

This ratio of strength of nTesla to B_E is around .5*10^-4. The ratio of cyclotron frequencies would be this. .1 second time scale would scale to about 2*10^3 s. One could argue that these time scales relate to the time scales long term memory. The weaker the magnetic field, the larger the size of flux quantum, and the longer time time scale of long term memory. 2*10^3 seconds means time scale of about hour.

One might argue that the evolution means the emergence of longer time scales of planned action and long term memory made in turn possible by emergence of new layers to the personal magnetic body. Outer magnetosphere would represent this kind of layer.

At 8:33 AM, Blogger Stephen said...

Far be it from me to nit-pick but my last name is spelled Crowley not Crowell :) But publicity is publicity! lol I'm glad you are enjoying the book and I thoroughly enjoyed the post about quantum computing via magnetic flux tubes.. very helpful and gives me a little hope that I'm not just a "mere programmer" :) Lapidus has some very creative ideas and when I was studying the topic of fractal strings intensely I had some fairly fantastic visions but I found out this sort of thing is just considered noise/hallucinations or "something I don't understand" by other folk.. now I'm focusing on how to learn to dance and things like that so I don't get too worn out with all the bits and bytes. Maybe I could use a motion sensor to authenticate via unique motion signatures? :)

All the best,

At 8:39 PM, Anonymous said...

Sorry Stephen Crowley;-),

my memory made a trick. I know a person with name Crowell and my associations are even more fuzzy as they were when I was young.

Lapidus writes extremely clearly and structurally. A valuable virtue in this world drowning to information. One might think that all mathematicians would write in structured manner but many of them have not even heard of this kind of notion. Maybe this relates to left-brainy thinking.

I think that the book of Lapidus will become my god friend for a long time. If I were a rich man I would by books and read them while traveling around the globe;-).

Dancing patters are much more interesting than bits: bits are boring, unless you are a professional interrogator you find it difficult to conversation with some-one who says only yes or no.

At 10:20 PM, Blogger Santeri Satama said...

Jaynes view of evolution is plagued by uncritical attitude towards civilization (in my definition: co-evolution between humans and certain annual hay plants like rice and wheat) and subsequent social hierarchies with unsustainable ecological relation leading to collapse of local carrying capacity and cancer-like imperialism - entropic payback.

From point of view of sustainable and balanced way of life and unbroken cultural tradition, San-people of Kalahari have been most succesfull, contemporary people having ability to read and understand rock-carvings that go back at least tens of thousands of years. What is striking difference to priests and kings, is that in anarchic and pacifistic San-tribes almost half the population get initiated to shamanistic trance and enter that state regularly.

In terms of lateral "free-love" anarchic negentropic entenglement between humans, contemporary studies from e.g. network games show that there is still upper bound work-memory capacity limit for the number of meaningfull emotional bonds that an individual can have, IIRC in the area 100-200. The limit is individual and not all individuals share the same network of negentropic entanglements (of various degree!?), but any case, the numerical upper limit for human individuals seens very low compared with e.g. the lateral negentropic entenglements on cellular level that human organisms consist of.

Ideological mass phenomena (sports, politics, organized religion, money etc.) can produce coherent mass behaviour in much greater numbers, but those are rather vertical top-down hierarchies than lateral anarchic entanglements.

At 2:29 AM, Anonymous said...

Mae Wan Ho has a wonderful metaphor for what I would call negentropic entanglement and Paavo Pylkkänen active information. Quantum jazz! Coherently acting group of musicians having maximal freedom for improvisation.

At 1:01 PM, Blogger Ulla said...

The Turing machine can answer what you say with an question, made out of your statement,as an echoe. I have not tried it myself, but some swear it is difficult to distinguish from a human discussion.

In therapy I often echoe back what people tell me, in quite a similar fashion. Often they are astonished how I could know about what they themself tell me :)

This tells maybe more about what degree of thinking humans usually have :) But also remember that the whole chain of questions-answers start with an (p-adic?) representation (box). Today a machine cannot itself get that?

At 1:35 PM, Blogger Ulla said...

"Adeles would provide appropriate formulation of T-duality in TGD framework. The corresponding mass scales would be hbar/R, hbar/p1/2R and hbar/pR. The third scale corresponds to a scale, which for electron corresponds to the 10 Hz frequency in the case of photons. The duality would suggest that the physics associated with the frequencies in EEG scale related to the communications from the biological body to magnetic body is dual to the physics in CP2 scale. "

I saw in a paper about relativistic thermodynamics a fig that used 1 as a zero line and the oscillations happened around it as analog to deBroglie waves. On the 'positive' part was FQH (2/5), on the 'negative' part was max. 2/3 scale. This made the whole thing positive (finite) though. The figure would suit oscillations due to stochastic resonance? p 27

Wormholes and spherical symmetry

At 7:32 AM, Blogger Stephen said...

Hmm, interesting, are my comments being censored? I tried posting a link to the lhc logbook entry regarding "10hz" and suddenly an "undulator" tripped and my message did not appear.


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