tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post5468867295734262801..comments2024-06-23T04:23:54.506-07:00Comments on TGD diary: Orch-Or theory of Penrose and Hameroff and new experimental findings about microtubulesMatti Pitkänenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13512912323574611883noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-51447188746448573862014-03-27T00:18:45.691-07:002014-03-27T00:18:45.691-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00211323952704228592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-21131767178939062082014-03-14T15:27:07.589-07:002014-03-14T15:27:07.589-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Uhu workhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17781384652550244497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-26236065502494584532014-02-20T11:56:44.982-08:002014-02-20T11:56:44.982-08:00Sorry Matti,
but the article:
http://phys.org/ne...Sorry Matti,<br /><br />but the article:<br /><br />http://phys.org/news/2014-02-team-limits-famous-quantum-principle.html<br /><br />is not about a new theory. It talks about experimental evidence. Maybe I'm just not able to give it the right interpretation. What do you think about?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-15565969999680857422014-02-09T15:52:59.326-08:002014-02-09T15:52:59.326-08:00Crow, your mind is not synched up. You add noise t...Crow, your mind is not synched up. You add noise to this, and you are anon. Please stop.<br /><br />I confess that my comments are not always synched up either :( But comments seldom are generally.Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-76790647685543416152014-02-09T14:52:52.101-08:002014-02-09T14:52:52.101-08:00oh, I think u meant hyperlink, not linkoh, I think u meant hyperlink, not linkcrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-3923868612562970602014-02-08T18:52:45.705-08:002014-02-08T18:52:45.705-08:00
Thank you Ulla: corrected. <br />Thank you Ulla: corrected. Matti Pitkanenhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-83992243275602092492014-02-08T18:11:42.404-08:002014-02-08T18:11:42.404-08:00ulla, yah, they arent exactly synced up. and all t...ulla, yah, they arent exactly synced up. and all these idiots with their wifi signals just adds noise go the mixcrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-83315664660784801532014-02-07T06:32:49.220-08:002014-02-07T06:32:49.220-08:00The link to Quantum mind, magnetic body and biolog...The link to Quantum mind, magnetic body and biological body does not work.Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-78380249667849142702014-02-05T22:21:01.661-08:002014-02-05T22:21:01.661-08:00Matti, we all know the world is terrible and fjlle...Matti, we all know the world is terrible and fjlled with hype, what to do about it? or rather, how to live with the idea?<br />crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-46407332362752087032014-02-05T19:03:04.183-08:002014-02-05T19:03:04.183-08:00To Anonymous who wrote:
"Hi! Very interesti...<br />To Anonymous who wrote: <br /><br />"Hi! Very interesting post!<br />Please take a look at the following new:<br />http://phys.org/news/2014-02-team-limits-famous-quantum-principle.html<br /><br />Does it have any consequence on the quantum mind theories?<br /><br />D. "<br /><br />The comment is not visible for some reason nor are the other comments. In any case, the answer is that this is just nonsense hype. Almost every week some-one promises to demonstrate that quantum theory is somehow wrong. They of course claim that they have a new revolutionary theory. The recent period of superhype was initiated by super string community, and now everyone is doing the same to such research money from decision makers who do not understand.<br /><br />Matti Pitkanenhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-57169183216558725122014-02-05T15:35:50.550-08:002014-02-05T15:35:50.550-08:00well, depending on the context, very yummy squishy...well, depending on the context, very yummy squishy things :) *rawr*crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-4632591629323082252014-02-05T15:34:36.576-08:002014-02-05T15:34:36.576-08:00im with sheldon. biology is "squishy yucky th...im with sheldon. biology is "squishy yucky things". thought y'all might get a kick out of this. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-80703582746081407912014-02-05T08:24:01.126-08:002014-02-05T08:24:01.126-08:00Another article about tesseract, tesseract Rubik&#...Another article about tesseract, tesseract Rubik's cube:<br />http://helm.lu/cube/tesseract.pdf<br /><br />At one point the "players" use technique wich they call "far fetched analogy of gene splicing". Maybe the analogy is not so far fecthed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-72813994382389468002014-02-05T05:45:59.550-08:002014-02-05T05:45:59.550-08:00If I understand correctly, the "annoying"...If I understand correctly, the "annoying" √2 in the transformation formula comes from doing it on 2D plane, in 3D it would be √3. In 4D tesseract 4D the distance between opposite corners is much tidier twice the length of a side than the corresponding irrational values of √2 for a square and √3 for a cube (from link mentioned above, http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/T/tesseract.html). This would be cruxial for DNA level error avoiding quantum computation?! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-56655112618720889812014-02-05T05:22:07.528-08:002014-02-05T05:22:07.528-08:00squaring the circle: tesseract graph is isomorphic...squaring the circle: tesseract graph is isomorphic to 4-Hadamard graph.<br />http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TesseractGraph.html<br />http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HadamardGraph.html<br /><br />Hadamard transformation or Hadamard gate is important in quantum computation:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadamard_transform<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-25867808384368917362014-02-05T04:50:24.925-08:002014-02-05T04:50:24.925-08:00Very nice visuals of 3D solids and tesseract:
http...Very nice visuals of 3D solids and tesseract:<br />http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/geometria_sagrada/esp_geometria_sagrada_4.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-14367634029630895922014-02-05T04:10:12.167-08:002014-02-05T04:10:12.167-08:00Also, if tesseract is hung from one of its vertice...Also, if tesseract is hung from one of its vertices and sliced horizontally through its center, the result is octahedron. http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/T/tesseract.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-73441676609620948682014-02-05T03:58:14.506-08:002014-02-05T03:58:14.506-08:00I thought I saw tesseract mentioned in either of t...I thought I saw tesseract mentioned in either of the papers, but tesseract+DNA brings out this link:<br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/106779619/The-DNA-Tesseract<br /><br />There is interesting relation between tetrahedron studied in your link and tesseract: "The tetrahedron forms the convex hull of the tesseract's vertex-centered central projection."<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convex_hullAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-7045944118797647222014-02-04T21:22:52.855-08:002014-02-04T21:22:52.855-08:00ahh the golden ratio. it popped up in my zeta stuf...ahh the golden ratio. it popped up in my zeta stuff some time back. piling up tqcs... quite the funny idea :) http://scienceasia.asia/index.php/ama/article/view/55 crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715663185910266616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-51110216318140788712014-02-04T20:05:09.437-08:002014-02-04T20:05:09.437-08:00To Anonymous:
Thank you for really interesting l...<br /><br />To Anonymous:<br /><br />Thank you for really interesting links. There is absolutely no reason to be sorry. The idea is really nice although the explanation contains errors and is difficult to comprehend. Same can be said about my scribblings. Biologists are finally learning mathematics: the saying that biologists's number system contains three numbers: one, two, and many ceases to be true! I believe that tte numerical calculations are probably correct.<br /><br />Some further comments.<br /><br />a) I claimed that the symmetries of cube are those of tetrahedron. This is of course not true. Octahedron is in question. Octahedron has 8 vertices as also cube and is dual of cube so that symmetries are same. <br /><br />b) A good starting point is to take symmetry group of Platonic solid and require that the rotations associated with A,T, C, G generate it. A and T correspond to g1 and its inverse as conjugate codons. C and G to g2 and its inverse. One cannot get too big groups in this manner. The group must be generated by these 4 rotations g1, g_1^(-1), g_2, and g_2^(-1).<br /><br />c) For cube and octahedron one has group permutation group of four objects. It can be generated by 3 suitably chosen elements and now one has four. Direct inspection shows that this should work.<br /><br />d) Also the symmetry rotations of dodecahedron forming 60-element alternating group A_5 (even permutations of 5 elements) can be generated from 2 elements. See<br /><br /> http://brauer.maths.qmul.ac.uk/Atlas/v3/alt/A5/.<br /><br />Hence this group is viable candidate. The bigger the better so that I would choose this group.<br />Rotations by multiplies of 2p/5, the angle associated with Golden Mean, appear as generators, and a good hint is tha Golden angle 2pi/5 is associated also with DNA winding!<br /><br />I have the feeling that in the first link the 24-element rotational symmetries of cube were considered and found to produce something good looking in some cases. 60-element dodecahedral group is much more promising candidate.<br /><br />I have written something about platonic solids and genetic code: See<br /><br />http://www.tgdtheory.fi/public_html/articles/icosagene.pdf<br /><br />but cannot recall it immediately. In any case, I did not have the coding of secondary structure in mind. The inability to recall the idea immediately is a good measure for its fuzziness;-). <br />Matti Pitkanenhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-18840807968985626192014-02-04T13:26:29.551-08:002014-02-04T13:26:29.551-08:00Yeah, sorry for that link, it was just first that ...Yeah, sorry for that link, it was just first that came up, and I also got the impression that the formalism was on the "lighter" side. This article by Mark White seems both more humble and more lucid, but same themes keep on coming up (platonic solids, especially dodecahedron, etc.): <br />http://www.codefun.com/Papers/IS7.pdf<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-11377125990188416182014-02-04T09:01:26.503-08:002014-02-04T09:01:26.503-08:00
Thank you for the link. I looked the article.
...<br />Thank you for the link. I looked the article. <br /><br />It has become clear that genetic code codes also for the secondary structure of DNA and that this coding is inherited by amino acids so that different DNA sequences coding for the same amino-acid sequences code for them different spatial conformations.<br /><br />The proposed model is based on rather nice idea that each nucleotide corresponds to a particular element of subgroup of rotation group which contains 4-element cyclic groups corresponding to rotations around 3 axes. To my view this fixes the group to be the group of symmetries of cube<br />(or equivalently tetrahedron). This group is identical with permutation group of 4 elements having 4!=24 elements. A, T, C and G correspond to 4 suitably chosen elements of this group so that they generate the entire group. <br /><br />On can require that the rotations associated with nucleotide and its conjugate (in conjugate strand) are inverses of each other: the rotation sequences are carried out in reverse directions for strand and its conjugate. Simple check shows can generate the entire group in this manner. <br /><br />To build amino acid one can start from amino-acid and reference direction associated with it. The rotation defined by the amino acid is the product of rotations associated with the nucleotides and tells to which direction next amino acid points. In this manner amino acid conformation is fixed uniquely.<br /><br />The idea is very ice but the explanation contains several mistakes so that the above represents only my interpretation about what seems to be involvedMatti Pitkanenhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-2260671855879177322014-02-04T06:11:51.836-08:002014-02-04T06:11:51.836-08:00With quick search, there seems to be quite a lot o...With quick search, there seems to be quite a lot of group theoretical approaches to genetic code, as to expected, here is one example: http://www.iconceptpress.com/download/paper/100912111200.pdf<br /><br />A question came to mind, perhaps related, probably as silly as usual: is it possible to form a group or group like structure of various identity elements and (other) operations in group theory generally, and specifically in genetic code, and if so, what would be the properties of such structure?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-20088745708879148462014-02-04T02:02:14.045-08:002014-02-04T02:02:14.045-08:00Baez on 6: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/six.htmlBaez on 6: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/six.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-1596948226479266572014-02-03T23:26:04.952-08:002014-02-03T23:26:04.952-08:00Guys, as they say, lattices are all about kissing ...Guys, as they say, lattices are all about kissing numbers. Kuß!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com