tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post5787057650667766628..comments2024-01-22T11:26:37.599-08:00Comments on TGD diary: The TGD based interpretation of the God helmet experimentsMatti Pitkänenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13512912323574611883noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-45505654325747385172012-01-01T07:36:02.170-08:002012-01-01T07:36:02.170-08:00Ulla:
Glia is by no means new to me. I wrote ve...Ulla:<br /><br />Glia is by no means new to me. I wrote very radical thoughts about glia cells already 6 years ago;-):<br /><br />http://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/hologram/hologram.html#metab<br /><br />Six years is a long time and it would be nice to rewrite the text in light of recent understanding.<br /><br /><br />That neurons are fast does not mean that they are somehow at higher level in development as compared to glial cells. Actually just the opposite. The longer the typical time scale of dynamics, the longer of time scale of memory and planned action (at least if one assumes hierarchy of Planck constants) . Longer time and length scales control shorter ones. <br /><br />Also the fact that the number of glial cells increases during evolution supports this view.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-32678681802490821642012-01-01T00:40:30.984-08:002012-01-01T00:40:30.984-08:00Glias magnetic bodies could correspond to higher l...Glias <i>magnetic bodies could correspond to higher levels of self hierarchy at cellular level: larger values of hbar, weaker magnetic fields, larger magnetic bodies, longer time scales of memory and of planned action.</i><br /><br />A more primitive system! Einstein as more primitive :)<br /><br />So we must do Unlearning and go back to more undifferentiated situations to get a higher hbar! Enlightment? Bacterias are the most enlighted ones, omnipotent? This is so ironic :)<br /><br />But of course we must first differentiate and learn to be able to unlearn. The same is true regarding emotions? I guess this is the 'pure consciousness' anon. talked of. We are born almost perfect, but spoil it, and struggle hard to get back to the same condition. So life is a wave of noise = NMP?Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-18793524728665841382012-01-01T00:24:31.994-08:002012-01-01T00:24:31.994-08:00I must smile. So now you have understood Einsteins...I must smile. So now you have understood Einsteins brain? I told you long ago.... You never LISTEN :) Glias are essential behind the 'meridians' in TCM. Meridians are 'highways' of primitive communication, possibly responsible for the findings of Libet. And Einstein, and you? This is just an hypothesis yet.<br /><br />To anon.<br />Knowing is NOT the same as consciousness, but a consequence of consciousness. Say you have 1000 perceptions done at a moment, but only a gate for 10, then those 10 are the knowing, the very small part you are aware of. 990 are something only your unconscious mind or body subsystems are aware of. In fact your conscious mind (the knowing) can actively ASK THOSE SUBSYSTEMS about their conscious parts. You may be astonished over the great knowledge hiding there.<br /><br />This is one of the most common illusions of human mind. Our brain is in fact the LEAST CONSCIOUS PART of our body? But the most 'knowing' one. Brain doesn't even have perceptions/senses of its own, only eyes and ears, tongue and other protrusions. There is a(n inverse?) hierarchy also in senses, outside is more conscious, inside less, body are a bigger system, head a more precise. EXG measures the noise-amplitude, andis the first step towards consciousness, but not consciousness yet. When negentropy 'collapses' to entropy we get consciousness.<br /><br />Explain then what is a perception. It is most complex, and you cannot avoid the dark aspects. Some even explain that our physical body can be a wave-form, giving quantum mechanical properties. The Schrödinger cat is both dead and alive at the same moment. This is achieved by constructions of synchrony and coherence in our body. Consciousness is an essential part of that.<br /><br />MAN AS A QUANTUM-WAVE PSYCHOSOMATIC SYSTEM<br />G. I. Brekhman (Israel, Russia) Abstract. The author considers the Man from a position of the theory of wave–particle duality of a matter. It has opened existence in a nature of ways of interaction and information interchange between genes, cells, persons, about which we did not suspect or knew a little. The concept of duality has allowed understanding the riches of the information contained in the man that has enabled to consider him as a psychosomatic system and to explain some features of thinking and behaviour of the people, sources of their talents and problems, and also feature of functioning in a society and relations with each other. In the certain measure the concept of duality gives an explanation of reasons of diseases, and gives interpretation to methods of treatment, which (despite of the efficiency) ascribe to alternative and do not admit by official medicine. Author describes the uterine myoma as a psychosomatic process, manifesting itself in ischemic uterus disease. He substantiated and used the holistic approach and nonstandard method of psychoelectroregulation in these patients which gave the long-term results. http://www.qim2011.org/<br /><br />See that the human border, our skin, is an artificial one. There is no real border. You can look at which part of the body you want, and you find the same. Even genomes are partly floating freely. In fact our skin is an extension of the nervous tissue.Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-2783575819536100522011-12-31T20:34:00.480-08:002011-12-31T20:34:00.480-08:00Dear Anonymous:
The vision about God is beautiful...Dear Anonymous:<br /><br />The vision about God is beautiful: I would assign to the quantum jumps made by entire Universe- recreating itself. Again quantum jump which can of course give also rise to the experience of nothing changing. <br /><br />Our retina performs all the time movement: without this continual change we rapidly lose our ability to see. If entire visual field is of same color we do not see any color. Gradients are necessary.<br /><br />But we -at least me- are not omniscient and omnipotent, and I want understand also these not so god-like entities with pain in the neck and problems with digestion. I do not regard them as illusions;-). <br /><br />Quantum physics -essentially the notion of quantum system- allows the mathematical tool to describe the splitting of this Omniscient God to these small pieces.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-72337710058749012592011-12-31T20:20:21.760-08:002011-12-31T20:20:21.760-08:00Matti:
We call that omniscience and omnipresence ...Matti:<br /><br />We call that omniscience and omnipresence ;)<br /><br />The still magnetic Light universe of God's knowing is<br />an invisible, unchanging, unconditioned and unmeasurable<br />quality from which visible, changing, conditioned<br />and measurable quantities spring to simulate those qualities<br />through two-way wave motion.<br /><br />The God-quality of the One Light is seemingly transformed<br />into quantities by being divided into pairs of<br />oppositely-conditioned light pressures of this electric<br />universe. These divided pairs are then multiplied into<br />countless octave wave units of light pressures and set in<br />opposite directioned motion to create the illusion of<br />sequence, change, dimension, condition and time in a<br />universe where none of these effects of motion exist.<br /><br />The calm sea, for example, is an unchanging, unmeasurable<br />quality of oneness, of sameness and stillness.<br />Upon its calm surface there is no change, nothing to<br />count or to measure.<br /><br />The moment that quantities of waves spring from that<br />quality of calm <b>(what you may call zero energy ontology? creation from "vacuum?")</b>, those quantities can be measured. Likewise,<br />they are forever changing. Nor are there two<br />points in them which are similarly conditioned.<br /><br />This creating <b>electric</b> universe is composed of moving<br />light waves which sprang from a calm sea of the One<br />still Light.<br /><br />Regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-62386394369092663972011-12-31T20:18:38.689-08:002011-12-31T20:18:38.689-08:00Ulla:
At the deepest level the divine is in re-cr...Ulla:<br /><br />At the deepest level the divine is in re-creation: you can fill in the rest: quantum jump, moment of consciousness, etc... This is to me the purest core of theology free of any additional lawyerish constructs that local power-holders wish to add so that the followers would pay their tithes.<br /><br />I think that God experience is becoming conscious about existence of higher levels of self hierarchy, perhaps also the process of these becoming part of own self as Brahman=Atman experience suggests. Magnetic body receives a new layer. <br /><br />Its opposite, the dark night of the soul, would be separation from higher level: connection to magnetic body splits: depression might be temporary splitting of this connection, "becoming rejected by God" would religious person say.<br /><br /><br />A phase transition increasing the Planck constant of some layer of magnetic body taking place. Some neurons or glial cells or at least their magnetic bodies make phase transition to larger hbar. <br /><br />By the way, Einstein's brains were different after! the number of glial cells was much higher and some of them much bigger than usually. <br /><br />I try to find time to update my views about glial cells. Their dynamics is typically slow - the conduction of Ca waves can be extremely slow, time scale of life cycle! This is a direct indication that their magnetic bodies could correspond to higher levels of self hierarchy at cellular level: larger values of hbar, weaker magnetic fields, larger magnetic bodies, longer time scales of memory and of planned action.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-62073458043792160092011-12-31T20:04:02.096-08:002011-12-31T20:04:02.096-08:00Dear Pesla,
the notions of magnetic body etc are...Dear Pesla,<br /><br />the notions of magnetic body etc are certainly mathematically describable. My passion is to try to develop a detailed theory about what *is* describable! No attempt to put free will in jail and express sensation of beauty as a formula.<br /><br />Only *correlates* of consciousness, structure of conscious experience (selves, subselves as mental images, self hierarchy...), mathematically well-defined *correlates* of selves-causal diamonds, space-time sheets, magnetic bodies.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-7855325004968386082011-12-31T19:57:31.382-08:002011-12-31T19:57:31.382-08:00Dear Anonymous,
One thing about which I am certa...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br /><br />One thing about which I am certain is that consciousness is *not* static;-). Replacement of Universe with a new one is not any statics thing! <br /><br />I fail to comprehend the basic idea of One Mind theory. If there is single consciousness it should be analogous to shared computer. Only one user at time, that particular conscious entity in that particular corner of the Universe. It it very difficult to imagine that same conscious entity could in some sense be simultaneously me and you and all the others. <br /><br />Quantum physics provides the natural mechanism dividing One Mind to several ones: state function reduction reducing entanglement. Irreducible Minds - particles of consciousness- are those having negentropic entanglement between their parts so that state function reduction cannot split them into pieces.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-7570348395859062642011-12-31T12:30:14.709-08:002011-12-31T12:30:14.709-08:00Matti:
Consciousness is static. Consciousness is ...Matti:<br /><br />Consciousness is static. Consciousness is the KNOWING of mind. Knowing is static.<br /><br />The Self of man belongs to the static, invisible, conscious,<br />unconditioned universe of KNOWING. We<br />express knowing in the dynamic, visible, electrically<br />conditioned universe of sensation.<br /><br />Consciousness is real. Sensation simulates reality<br />through motion of interchanging lights, but the mirage<br />of a city is not the city it reflects.<br /><br />The universal Mind centers every particle and mass in<br />this universe: animal, vegetable or mineral, electron,<br />atom or sun.<br /><br />There is but One Mind functioning universally within<br />all creating things, and that One Mind is not stratified<br />nor divided into the more or less. There are no differing<br />conditions of the One Mind, nor are there different kinds<br />of minds.<br /><br />Regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-6196139522346312172011-12-31T09:47:29.843-08:002011-12-31T09:47:29.843-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.sadiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06275267261816924604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-74280353695022604402011-12-31T09:22:35.372-08:002011-12-31T09:22:35.372-08:00Matti,
that is a very wise point. But in practice...Matti, <br />that is a very wise point. But in practice there are some things that appear to exist that are not understood even in terms of the quantum formulas.<br /><br />How is it we can separate to sticky tapes and it gives off light and x-rays? Or why when we separate surfaces do the planes exchange charge one all positive and one all negative?<br /><br />Part of it is the effect of this Van der Waals very week force which we know can be put into different models such as the point models- as you say with magnetism (I think is a metaphor for your deeper vision) and Maxwell's formulas- these forces can be thought of as points or Casmir forces or other such things- so what is your explanation of the idea of monopoles?<br /><br />But I have no doubt all of this applies very closely to organic processes to the beauty and extent I read between the lines of your vision. I have not made the leap into some sort of disembodied field (magnetic body) mathematically indescribable, but I have not tried to reduce things to materialism or its slippery slope. I do not dismiss the possible connection.<br /><br />I have had a few things to say lately in comparing our visions which I may post today or at the beginning of the new year- if you are interested. I think your question of how things on the level between the "wormholes" become somehow finite has a reasonable answer in my posts.<br /><br />the Pe SlaL. Edgar Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525169618204198073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-49725396589219239292011-12-31T03:59:15.713-08:002011-12-31T03:59:15.713-08:00Mathematical formula for contents of consciousness...Mathematical formula for contents of consciousness would be like a formula for the sensation of color red. It would also be in conflict with non-determinism of volition. <br /><br />The problems of the attempts to reduce conscious to some deterministic dynamics lead to difficulties. Matter and consciousness belong to different categories. Consciousness is always about. Matter just is. As Chalmers showed in detail, one ends up with materialist view in which consciousness is just epiphenomenon in other words does not exist at all. <br /><br /> Greatest steps of progress in science relate to the discovery of limitations on what can be known and to me the most reasonable approach is to give up the attempt to give a formula for something which one cannot give a formula.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-4170771075139741212011-12-30T11:19:05.602-08:002011-12-30T11:19:05.602-08:00Matti,
No problem, If I had a lot of hair I am su...Matti,<br /><br />No problem, If I had a lot of hair I am sure when I touched the coils with such high voltage theories it would make it stand on end, Einstein like.<br /><br />Your deeper ideas are hard to get a clear picture of in new terms- but I do see the classical level as a sort of prime or given- but consciousness as such is not any more mysterious and miraculous as the fact of matter as given, to me anyway. If we cannot (philosophically) show God exists or not, how can we say consciousness itself is beyond any mathematical formula? Not to say there may not be some such unique reality to be so described. But I did offer lately other or alternative consciousness definitions in terms of the empty distances between generalizations like p-adic (adele) and quasic and Conway's surreal space- I mean I read your concepts on a much higher level than say the quantum terminology- for is quantum mechanics not the heart of chemistry anyway and we cannot reduce neuroscience to that?<br /><br />The PeSla (but I am not coiled even to Lubos, see my post today abusing your name perhaps- the Pikanadic Continuum or the Pikanomnium.)L. Edgar Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525169618204198073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-77921525535325557832011-12-30T10:25:53.748-08:002011-12-30T10:25:53.748-08:00https://www.technologyreview.com/article/39289/?p1...https://www.technologyreview.com/article/39289/?p1=A1Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-10057060844207017502011-12-30T10:19:24.633-08:002011-12-30T10:19:24.633-08:00Yuo are late Matti, we set a helmet
for God.Yuo are late Matti, we set a helmet<br />for God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-82034893188122070962011-12-30T09:41:19.261-08:002011-12-30T09:41:19.261-08:00I have looked at Murphy and he is good. The best i...I have looked at Murphy and he is good. The best is that the hypotheses actually can be tested. Experiments can be done. But we must remember that brains are individual and wired by Nurture, so we have always some uncertainty/randomness.<br /><br />What I would want a clearer picture of is hierarchy by p-adics versus Planck constants as related to the different brainareas/halves. Occiput can be seen as past time, Frontal lobes as future, and temporals as present, so 'God' must be in presens as spiritists claim. This would be quantum coherence for the right hemisphere then? At least for the temporal lobe.Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-19518265840625858732011-12-29T21:47:33.676-08:002011-12-29T21:47:33.676-08:00Dear Pesla,
I am sorry, I thought that the comm...Dear Pesla, <br /><br />I am sorry, I thought that the comment was from Tesla;-).matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-21971814677801208212011-12-29T21:44:27.713-08:002011-12-29T21:44:27.713-08:00To Tesla:
What try to achieve is the identifica...To Tesla:<br /><br />What try to achieve is the identification the quantum physical correlates of consciousness. Since I believe on quantum classical correspondence, I also try to guess the correlates of consciousness at the level of classical physics. <br /><br />In TGD Universe field body and magnetic body seem to be very important such correlates. This means giving up the dogma that biology and neuroscience reduce to chemistry. This means a decisive step -skeptic would probably say "fatal";-) - in attempts to understand DNA and related things.<br /><br />As I have pompously declared boringly many times;-), I believe that contents of consciousness itself is beyond any mathematical formula since its basic building brick is to me the act of re-creation.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-59440361347849103242011-12-29T21:31:19.655-08:002011-12-29T21:31:19.655-08:00To Ulla:
I realize that I have concentrated mostl...To Ulla:<br /><br />I realize that I have concentrated mostly to TGD proper. This has not been purposeful choice by me. If it was a conscious choice by some-one it was correct;-). <br /><br />I cannot make progress in consciousness theory without defining the basic notions more precisely. I need a precise enough phenomenology based on new notion of classical field and space-time and understanding what topological field quantization really means. Answers to very simple questions like "What superposition of classical fields means in TGD Universe?". <br /><br />The attempt to understand Persinger's findings is an application of the more precise picture about topological field quantization. It seems that TGD is able to say something highly non-trivial and testable about spiritual experiences. <br /><br />And before everything, I am happy that I need not follow poor skeptics and try to reduce experiences which are often turning points of life to brain disorders;-)!<br /><br />In any case, I strongly encourage to listen lectures of Todd Murphy. They provide a fresh angle to spiritual experiences. Scientists need not retrograde to silly mockers of spirituality. They can be real explorers. While listening Todd Murphy I felt the same deep inspiration as for 26 years ago after having realized that this "scientific world view" to which I had been brainwashed is nothing but a clumsy drawing of a child.matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-35395261414501495462011-12-29T12:05:04.184-08:002011-12-29T12:05:04.184-08:00Well, Matti,
With great visions (and sometimes le...Well, Matti,<br /><br />With great visions (and sometimes lesser visions) one certainly gets the idea of a unification of things happening in the universe or brain. It is a powerful leap of our cognition.<br /><br />Of course this seems to me beyond the leap to proof of such unity as existing. Yes, I have touched on this sort of philosophy lately with the idea that just perhaps there is some sort of physics involved- not sure Magnetism is the fundamental idea as we know it.<br /><br />But it is on the way to understanding at least the mathematics that may be involved.<br /><br />So the issue of what happens between classical and the other representations in relation to this sense of uniqueness and unity we call consciousness is still an open question- you should submit this sort of thing to the link I supplied in the call for papers a few of my posts back.<br /><br />The PeSlaL. Edgar Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525169618204198073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-79140638928996149692011-12-29T03:23:04.375-08:002011-12-29T03:23:04.375-08:00Wau. Matti, you have been busy. I have waited for ...Wau. Matti, you have been busy. I have waited for this in years. The book of Jill Bolte Taylor comes with the post. Good.<br /><br />Compare also to Dickaus work.Ullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634036177244152897noreply@blogger.com