tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post6505619015069207210..comments2024-04-13T09:06:39.494-07:00Comments on TGD diary: String world sheets, partonic 2-surfaces and vanishing of induced (classical) weak fields Matti Pitkänenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13512912323574611883noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-13010703620947254372014-06-09T05:44:49.265-07:002014-06-09T05:44:49.265-07:00Thanks,
Well, Have a good time there.
Thanks,<br />Well, Have a good time there.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-31556268920004556122014-06-08T20:09:59.135-07:002014-06-08T20:09:59.135-07:00State function reduction is completely general pro...<br /><br />State function reduction is completely general process. All particles, not only electrons. For photons it occurs for instance in double slit experiments. When both slits are open the photons are in waves going through both slits. Measurement redoes to localised state in screen.In TGD this initial state would mean two brached 3-surface going through slits. When only single slit is open they are initially in superposition involving only single slit. <br /><br />An important correction to the original picture about state function reduction in ZEO. I have mentioned about this few times but maybe I have not emphasized enough the change. <br /><br />Originally I thought that reduction occurs alternately to the boundaries of CD. This might be the case in very short scales where time arrow is not yet present.In longer scales - larger CDs- this is not the case: microscopy and arrow of time enter into the picture.<br /><br />Then I realised that state function reduction at given boundary of CD can occur arbitrary many times repeatedly. In ordinary QM this means repeated state function reduction giving again the reduced states ( quantum mechanical Zeno paradox relates to this and is empirical fact).<br /><br /> In TGD each repeated state function reduction leaves the state at already reduced boundary invariant but changes the state at other boundary. This gives rise to experience flow and arrow of time. <br /><br />The changes at second boundary however occur and give to conscious experience something: the experience about flow of time at least. Interesting problem is to try to understand exactly what is this contribution! IS this just our experience about classical everyday world as opposed to experience of state function reduction which brings to my mind moment of birth about which I do not remember much;-).<br /><br />Returning to your question. The information about electron's state is coded by the wave function at reduced boundary. Effective 2-dimensionality reduces this information to partonic 2-surfaces and tangent space data at then. <br /><br />When we observe electron localisation it is a state function reduction to opposite boundary after sequence of reduction to same boundary. Boundary of CD is changed. What the scale of CD<br />is in this case. Scale of electrons CD of .1 seconds if one assumes that it corresponds to secondary p-adic time scale? Amusingly, this is also the time scale of our sensory perception. Maximal time resolution of sensory perception. In smaller scales time ordering can fluctuate. <br /><br /><br />The best manner to speak about state function is to speak about WCW spinor fields. Quantum superpositions of space-time surfaces. These change in reduction reducing them to eigenstates of measured observables at either boundary of CD. <br /><br />*Superposition* of massless externals (MEs) changes to a new one for instance. It is easily misleading to talk about state function reduction for ME. If one wants to do this, one must assume that reduction occurs in scales shorter than that characterising ME so that ME is unchanged in the process. ME serves as an arena of quantum physics in this case. <br /><br />Sorry I must stop. I am going to Helsinki! I continue later!Matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-67096826880947896492014-06-08T20:09:54.949-07:002014-06-08T20:09:54.949-07:00State function reduction is completely general pro...<br /><br />State function reduction is completely general process. All particles, not only electrons. For photons it occurs for instance in double slit experiments. When both slits are open the photons are in waves going through both slits. Measurement redoes to localised state in screen.In TGD this initial state would mean two brached 3-surface going through slits. When only single slit is open they are initially in superposition involving only single slit. <br /><br />An important correction to the original picture about state function reduction in ZEO. I have mentioned about this few times but maybe I have not emphasized enough the change. <br /><br />Originally I thought that reduction occurs alternately to the boundaries of CD. This might be the case in very short scales where time arrow is not yet present.In longer scales - larger CDs- this is not the case: microscopy and arrow of time enter into the picture.<br /><br />Then I realised that state function reduction at given boundary of CD can occur arbitrary many times repeatedly. In ordinary QM this means repeated state function reduction giving again the reduced states ( quantum mechanical Zeno paradox relates to this and is empirical fact).<br /><br /> In TGD each repeated state function reduction leaves the state at already reduced boundary invariant but changes the state at other boundary. This gives rise to experience flow and arrow of time. <br /><br />The changes at second boundary however occur and give to conscious experience something: the experience about flow of time at least. Interesting problem is to try to understand exactly what is this contribution! IS this just our experience about classical everyday world as opposed to experience of state function reduction which brings to my mind moment of birth about which I do not remember much;-).<br /><br />Returning to your question. The information about electron's state is coded by the wave function at reduced boundary. Effective 2-dimensionality reduces this information to partonic 2-surfaces and tangent space data at then. <br /><br />When we observe electron localisation it is a state function reduction to opposite boundary after sequence of reduction to same boundary. Boundary of CD is changed. What the scale of CD<br />is in this case. Scale of electrons CD of .1 seconds if one assumes that it corresponds to secondary p-adic time scale? Amusingly, this is also the time scale of our sensory perception. Maximal time resolution of sensory perception. In smaller scales time ordering can fluctuate. <br /><br /><br />The best manner to speak about state function is to speak about WCW spinor fields. Quantum superpositions of space-time surfaces. These change in reduction reducing them to eigenstates of measured observables at either boundary of CD. <br /><br />*Superposition* of massless externals (MEs) changes to a new one for instance. It is easily misleading to talk about state function reduction for ME. If one wants to do this, one must assume that reduction occurs in scales shorter than that characterising ME so that ME is unchanged in the process. ME serves as an arena of quantum physics in this case. <br /><br />Sorry I must stop. I am going to Helsinki! I continue later!Matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-74654970852565848862014-06-08T08:43:03.390-07:002014-06-08T08:43:03.390-07:00Dear Matti,
Thanks,
Does state function reductio...Dear Matti,<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Does state function reduction, occurs for massless extremals too? as I understand, In standard QM, only wave function of electron reduce after measurement and it can’t describe what occurs for photons after the measurement. Although if we do the double-slit experiment for a single photon, we see the wave function of photons reduce at a point of screen. Hence one can say that it is a problem for standard QM that can’t describe wave function evolution and reduction of wave function of a photon.<br /><br />After reduction of wave function of an electron in some boundary of CD(suppose in lower boundary),<br />if at this moment of consciousness we go from lower to upper boundary and observe the wave function of the electron(In other words we are observing geometric time evolution of electron in this process), what does we see? Is this correct? We see the electron wave function just over a small 3-surface in lower boundary and when we are going from lower to upper at the moment of consciousness we see electron wave function propagates over more regions or over more and more small 3-surfaces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-65295081434170595112014-06-04T07:31:53.123-07:002014-06-04T07:31:53.123-07:00
Dear Hamed,
as you say, an interesting question...<br />Dear Hamed, <br /><br />as you say, an interesting question is why color<br />of certain wavelength (actually distribution of wavelengths) can induce color sensation. <br /><br />Could one speak of Bose-Einstein condensation color receptors have Bose-Einstein condensate with definite color quantum numbers and this is amplified by polarisation induced by incoming photons around resonance energies. Photons give only the energy. Total color remains zero but color quantum numbers at plates of color capacitor increase. The color quantum numbers of color receptors would correlate with visual colours. <br /><br />Could one consider the situation in terms <br />dark QCD in which string like objects having opposite colors and realised as color magnetic<br />flux tubes are generated between the plates<br />of color capacitor. Kind of resonant burst of mesons generated by incoming photon energy.<br /><br />Could this relate to dark photons decaying to biophotons in turn providing energy for creating color polarisation? Biophotons are just ordinary photons in eneryy range including visible and part of UV (molecular excitation energies). <br /><br />Matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-57965200391769229092014-06-04T07:13:57.398-07:002014-06-04T07:13:57.398-07:00Dear Hamed.
Color sensation can quite well induc...Dear Hamed.<br /><br />Color sensation can quite well induced the flow of color quantum numbers. The total color quantum numbers of system plus complement should vanish. It is also possible that color polarisation occurs so that the sensory receptor and its complement have opposite but increasing color quantum numbers. I have modelled sensory perception as analog of di-electric breakdown for the analog of capacitor: now color capacitor.<br /><br />It is interesting that for instance an object with color is surrounded by narrow stripe with complementary color: does this follow from vanishing of total color quantum numbers. <br /><br />One can of course ask whether gluons are generated in color perception by incoming photons and create the flow of color quantum numbers.<br /><br /> If one believes that dark QCD is present in scales of living matter (four Gaussian Mersennes (1+i)^n-1 in length scale range 10 nm, 2.5 micrometer which is number theoretical miracle, suggest that both scaled/dark versions of QCD and and ew interactions are there and correspond to these Mersennes). <br /><br /><br /><br />An interesting thing is also that we can observe color only if there are at least two colours. Completely homogenous light to screen does not create sensation of color. I think here one must build a model for for color perception is. For years ago I considered this problem: do not remember anymore the explanation.<br />Matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-26713406397530869522014-06-04T06:49:03.063-07:002014-06-04T06:49:03.063-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-86330716272167100682014-06-04T06:48:21.274-07:002014-06-04T06:48:21.274-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-28019960440395813062014-06-04T06:46:20.811-07:002014-06-04T06:46:20.811-07:00Dear Matti,
Thanks,
this is correct? for example ...Dear Matti,<br /><br />Thanks,<br />this is correct? for example when a photon with the wavelength of 700nm come to my eyes, although it hasn't any color but it leads to increment of red color quantum number in the retina.<br /><br />But if photons haven't any color, how they can induce the flow of color quantum numbers in retina? conservation of color quantum number is violated? <br /><br />Maybe i can improve my last question in this form: Why does every photon with special wave length can increase special color quantum number in the retina?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-75116837630058881702014-06-04T05:08:18.151-07:002014-06-04T05:08:18.151-07:00Dear Hamed,
one can say that color field is asso...Dear Hamed, <br /><br />one can say that color field is associated with induced Kähler form, which does not always coincide with em field which contains also other term proportional to classical Z^0 field. If classical weak fields vanish as they should at string world sheets carrying fermions so that they have well-defined em charge and couple purely vectorially then Kähler form is proportional to em field. Em field is accompanied by classical long ranged color field.<br /><br />What matters is whether classical color gauge potentials couple to induced spinor fields. The classical color field is not visible in the couplings of spinors since they couple directly only to the ew gauge potentials. <br /><br />Color is visible only at quantum level. Conformal algebra generators carrying color and color partial waves assignable to imbedding space spinors and appearing as ground states of super-conformal representations. These imbedding space spinor modes correspond to the spinors of QFT and QCD appears as QFT approximation to the dynamics.<br /><br /> I would not assign to em waves color. Color is quale which in TGD inspired theory of consciousness corresponds to increment of color<br />quantum numbers (this is not a joke!) in quantum jump. Quite concretely the flow of color quantum numbers from subsystem in question or to it give rise to sensation of color. There are many manners to induce this flow. Photons have specialised to induce this flow but photons as such do not have any color. Qualia are not properties of physical objects but characterise their change in quantum jump. This saves from logical paradoxes.Matpitka@luukku.comhttp://tgdtheory.fi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-65478617552343297612014-06-04T01:27:00.965-07:002014-06-04T01:27:00.965-07:00Dear Matti,
If classical em field is associated w...Dear Matti,<br /><br />If classical em field is associated with long ranged color field as TGD say it, i try to clear my imagination by ask my questions:<br /><br />em wave has tensor product of spin group and color group?<br /><br />Why every em wave with special wavelength has special color or in other words there is 1-1 correspondence between them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10614348.post-68980996910780304822014-05-28T19:05:56.391-07:002014-05-28T19:05:56.391-07:00http://www.math.neu.edu/event/geometry-algebra-sin...http://www.math.neu.edu/event/geometry-algebra-singularities-and-combinatorics/2013-11-18Professor Farnsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01686728977053362157noreply@blogger.com