Thursday, August 28, 2008

A possible realization of water memory

The Benveniste's discovery of water memory initiated quite dramatic sequence of events. The original experiment involved the homeopathic treatment of water by human antigene. This meant dilution of the water solution of antigene so that the concentration of antigene became extremely low. In accordance with homeopathic teachings human basophils reacted on this solution.

The discovery was published in Nature and due to the strong polemic raised by the publication of the article, it was decided to test the experimental arrangement. The experimental results were reproduced under the original conditions. Then it was discovered that experimenters knew which bottles contained the treated water. The modified experiment in which experimenters did not possess this information failed to reproduce the results and the conclusion was regarded as obvious and Benveniste lost his laboratory among other things. Obviously any model of the effect taking it as a real effect rather than an astonishingly simplistic attempt of top scientists to cheat should explain also this finding.

The model based on the notion of field body and general mechanism of long term memory allows to explain both the memory of water and why it failed under the conditions described.

1. A model for the water memory and homeopathic effect

  1. Also molecules have magnetic field bodies acting as intentional agents controlling the molecules. Nano-motors do not only look co-operating living creatures but are such. The field body of the molecule contains besides the static magnetic and electric parts also dynamical parts characterized by frequencies and temporal patterns of fields. To be precise, one must speak both field and relative field bodies characterizing interactions of molecules. Right brain sings-left brain talks metaphor might generalize to all scales meaning that representations based on both frequencies and temporal pulse with single frequency could be utilized.

  2. The effects of complex bio-molecule to other bio-molecules (say antigene on basofil) in water could be characterized to some degree by the temporal patterns associated with the dynamical part of its field body and bio-molecules could recognize each other via these patterns. This would mean that symbolic level in interactions would be present already in the interactions of bio-molecules. Cyclotron frequencies are most natural candidates for the frequency signatures and the fact that frequencies in 10 kHz range are involved supports this view.

  3. The original idea was that water molecule clusters are able to mimic the bio-molecules themselves -say their vibrational and rotational spectra could coincide with those of molecules in reasonable approximation. A more natural idea is that they can mimic their field bodies. Homeopathy could rely on extremely simple effect: water molecule clusters would steal the magnetic bodies of the molecules used to manufacture the homeopathic remedy. The shaking of the bottle containing the solution would enhance the probability for bio-molecule to lose its magnetic body in this manner. For instance, water could produce fake copies of say antigenes recognized by basofils and reacting accordingly if the reaction is based on interaction with the magnetic body of the antigene.

  4. The basic objection against this picture is that it does not explain why the repeated dilution works. Rather, it seems that dilution of molecules reduces also the density of mimicking pseudo-molecules. Even more, the potency of the homeopathic remedy is claimed to increase as the the dilution factor increases. Also alcohol is used instead of water so that also alcohol must allow homepathic mechanism. (I am grateful for Ulla Matfolk for questions which made me to realize these objections).

    1. The only way out seems to be that the magnetic bodies or water molecule clusters having these magnetic bodies can replicate. The shaking of the remedy could provide the needed metabolic energy so that the population of magnetic bodies grows to a limiting density determined by the metabolic energy feed. In principle it would be possible to infect unlimited amount of water by these pseudo-molecules. When in bottle the population would be in dormant state but in the body of the patient it would wake up and form a population of molecular actors and stimulate the immune system to develop immune response to the real molecule.

    2. The potency of the homeopathic remedy is claimed to increase with the increased dilution factor. This would suggest that the continued dilution and shaking also increases the density of pseudo molecules, perhaps by feeding to the system metabolic energy or by some other mechanism.

    3. Also magnetic bodies must replicate in cell replication and their role as intentional agents controlling bio-matter requires that this replication serves as a template for biochemical replication. On can indeed interpret the images about cell replication in terms of replication of dipole type magnetic field. This process is very simple and could have preceded biological replication. The question is therefore whether water is actually a living system in presence of a proper metabolic energy feed. Also the water's ability near critical point for freezing to form nice patterns correlating with sound stimuli might be due to the presence of the molecular actors.

    4. This picture fits nicely with the vision that evolution of water in this kind of life form might have happened separately and that pre-biotic chemical life forms have formed symbiosis with living water. In the model of DNA as topological quantum computer the asymptotic self organization patterns of water flow in the vicinity of lipid layers indeed define quantum computer programs by inducing the braiding of the magnetic flux tubes connecting DNA nucleotides to lipids so that this symbiosis would have brought in new kind of information processing tool.

  5. The magnetic body of the molecule could mimic the vibrational and rotational spectra using harmonics of cyclotron frequencies. Cyclotron transitions could produce dark photons with large Planck constant, whose ordinary counterparts resulting in de-coherence would have large energies due to the large value of hbar and could thus induce vibrational and rotational transitions. This would provide a mechanism by which molecular magnetic body could control the molecule. Note that also the antigenes possibly dropped to the larger space-time sheets could produce the effect on basofils. The transformation of large Planck constant photons to ordinary ones would reduce the frequency of photon by the factor hbar0/hbar: this kind of reduction represents basic finding about water memory. The so scaled scaling law states that favored scaling factor corresponds to hbar/hbar0∼ 2× 1010.

  6. There is a considerable experimental support for the Benveniste's discovery that bio-molecules in water environment are represented by frequency patterns, and several laboratories are replicating the experiments of Benveniste as I learned from the lecture of Yolene Thomas in the 7:th European SSE Meeting held in Röros . The scale of the frequencies involved is around 10 kHz and as such does not correspond to any natural molecular frequencies. Cyclotron frequencies associated with electrons or dark ions accompanying these macromolecules would be a natural identification if one accepts the notion of molecular magnetic body. For ions the magnetic fields involved would have a magnitude of order .03 Tesla if 10 kHz corresponds to scaled up alpha band. Also Josephson frequencies would be involved if one believes that EEG has fractally scaled up variants in molecular length scales.

2. Why Benveniste's experiments could not be replicated?

Consider now the argument explaining the failure to replicate the experiments of Benveniste.

  1. The magnetic bodies of water molecules need metabolic energy for communications with their "biological body" using the fractally scaled analog of EEG. There is no obvious source for this energy in water. The model for protein folding and DNA as topological quantum computer assumes that magnetic flux tubes connecting subject person and target of directed attention serve as correlates for directed attention at the molecular level . This should be true also in macroscopic scales so that the experimentalist and the bottle containing the treated water should be connected by magnetic flux tubes. If experimenter has directed his attention to the bottle of water, the resulting magnetic flux tubes could allow a transfer of metabolic energy as a radiation along massless extremals parallel to the flux tubes and defining TGD counterparts of Alfwen waves. Experimenter's strong motivation to replicate experiments would help to realize the transfer of the metabolic energy. Experimenters not knowing, which bottles were treated did not have these flux tube bridges to the bottles, and were not able to provide the needed metabolic energy, and the magnetic bodies of antigenes failed to generate the cyclotron radiation making them visible to the basofil.

  2. If this interpretation is correct, then Benveniste's experiment would demonstrate besides water memory also psychokinesis and direct action of desires of experimenters on physics at microscopic level. Furthermore, the mere fact that we know something about some object or direct attention to it would mean a concrete interaction of our magnetic body with the object.

For details see the chapter Homeopathy in Many-Sheeted Space-time of "Bio-Systems as Conscious Holograms".


At 9:00 AM, Blogger Ulla said...

You write: "Experimenter's strong motivation to replicate experiments would help to realize the transfer of the metabolic energy. Experimenters not knowing, which bottles were treated did not have these flux tube bridges to the bottles, and were not able to provide the needed metabolic energy, and the magnetic bodies of antigenes failed to generate the cyclotron radiation making them visible to the basofil."
1. Could this also be applicable to placebo/nocebo? You say that EEG from outside is the medium, which interacts via the magnetic body as a "sensory organ"? Damasio talks about as-if loops in the brain, or the power of the mind. If you think of something it´s nearly as real as if it happened. In what way does EEG from outside interact with EEG of the brain?
2. The experiment should succeed if you turned the conditions upside down. If you expect all the test tubes to contain homeopathical remedies?
3. Homeopathical remedies become stronger the more diluted they are. The dilution is done stepwise always. Does this mean that the molecules magnetic fields are stronger without the molecules themselves? Or get a more diluted solution stronger fields? The fields are then also fractal?

At 11:07 PM, Blogger Matti Pitkanen said...

Thank you for interesting and stimulating questions. It seems that my answer is just more questions.

1. One can imagine that body itself could build magnetic bodies of say proteins, say enzymes, which it does not possess.
Questions. Could these phantom proteins perform the same biological function as actual ones? Or could these magnetic bodies by some mechanism even help to construct real proteins? Probably too much to dream about. In any case, homepathy and phantom DNA effect could provide tool for studying the physics of magnetic bodies and Benveniste and collaborators would have done this research for decades.

2. One can imagine that placebo effect is based on the production of these magnetic bodies. Questions. Could magnetic bodies replicate? Could also the water molecule clusters having these magnetic bodies replicate and give rise to a growing population of molecular actors representing the molecule. It is known that water near criticality to freezing reacts to sounds: for instance, and forms nice patterns. Can one say that water is living in presence of metabolic energy feed, say sunlight?

Magnetic bodies must replicate during cell replication and you see what resembles a replication of dipole field in pictures about cell replication. The mechanism is actually rather simple and basically topological and might have preceded chemical replication and could serve as a template for it: this of course is what one expects if magnetic bodies are the intentional agents in living matter.

3. What I said about EEG and its generalization is that they are communication and control tools of the magnetic body using biological body- be it our body or bio-molecule-sensory receptor and motor instrument. Our magnetic body has onion-like structure with several layers. Ordinary EEG corresponds to wavelengths of order Earth size in alpha band and thus layers of magnetic body of this size. Communications occurs by em signals propagating along "topological light rays" from the layer of magnetic body in question to (say) brain. This also explains Libet's strange findings. Control takes place by magnetic flux sheets which would contain DNA strands like page of book contains lines of text (this to achieve direct control of gene expression). The communication of the sensory input to magnetic body would use flux tubes associated with cell membranes monitoring the chemical and the electromagnetic state of the nearby environment.

4. Damasio assumes everything takes place in brain. Now magnetic body brings in something totally new. Molecular actors could bring in virtuality, "as-if" loops as far as those aspects of biophysics which rely on cyclotron frequencies are involved.

3. I did not understand the question about turning conditions upside down. In any case, experimenter cannot cheat of having directed attention to the bottle because only its real occurrence creates the flux tubes connecting experimenter to the bottle as correlates of directed attention.

4. I do not actually understand why the continued dilution should increase the effectiveness of the remedy. One would naively expect that since the density of molecules reduced, very few new magnetic bodies appear. If the magnetic bodies are able to replicate the water molecule clusters possessing these magnetic bodies could form a population which grows to a limiting density every time more water is added. Shaking of the bottle could provide the metabolic energy needed.

Where the metabolic energy comes from in the case of ordinary homeopathic remedies? From the body of patient? Could the population of molecular actors remain in dormant state when in bottle and in absence of audience, and wake up in the body of patient providing the metabolic energy?

At 2:30 AM, Blogger Ulla said...

I did not understand the question about turning conditions upside down.

I meant that if you direct real attention to all the bottles as if they all contained the remedy. Then all the bottles would get the energy, and only the ones containing the remedy would react.

Another question: When you make those remedies you dilute until not a single molecule is left, and then you have the greatest impact of the remedy. This means that it´s not the molecules that cures, but the imprintings of them. In this case their magnetic bodies.
Then the water containing these imprintings is sucked into pills of sugar, and still the magnetic body will be saved. The magnetic bodies of the sugar doesn´t destroy it. And when the pills comes under your togue the imprintings is sucked into your blood and from there out into whole of your body. And then the imprintings of the water will alter the magnetic fields of your body, if the fields of water have such an character that they will fill an empty point in your magnetic field of body. Only then do they have any therapeutic impact.
Quite an amazing result, but also quite logical.

At 4:23 AM, Blogger Matti Pitkanen said...

You said "I meant that if you direct real attention to all the bottles as if they all contained the remedy. Then all the bottles would get the energy, and only the ones containing the remedy would react."

Might well be like this.
Could the sugar pills - about which I did not know-provide metabolic energy for these tiny molecular actors?

The notion of magnetic field is something different from the standard. Magnetic fields of magnetic bodies are much like their own objects by topological field quantization. They do not directly interfere with say Earth's magnetic field and they are also "dark ", that is at different page of the book like structure containing almost copies of 8-D imbedding space as pages.

The magnetic bodies can topologically condense on larger ones and interactions between different magnetic bides are mediated via the tiny elementary particle sized wormhole contacts. This interaction is in an essential role in the model of anomalous cognition and explains strange findings which I discussed in separate posting about the correlation of anomalous cognition with sidereal time(galactic time).

The magnetic body is like visit card: it contains as cyclotron frequencies a lot of biologically essential information from which the molecules of immunes system recognize also the original molecule. Essentially a cheating of immune system to generate immune response would be in question.

At 5:32 AM, Blogger Ulla said...

Yet one thing.
I remembered, while I was doing some practical work, that there is one thing that can destroy the action of the homeopathical remedies. And that is the acid in the stomach. Or essentially protons. (That´s why you have to put them under your tongue.) How can protons destroy the magnetic bodies?

As I have understood it, the sugar pills is only there, because you need "something" to ingest. If you condensate water there is nothing left.

At 6:50 AM, Blogger Matti Pitkanen said...

Difficult to say. Maybe these little molecular actors do not like too acidic living conditions;-).


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