Friday, May 25, 2012

Negentropic entanglement, metabolism, and acupuncture

It is interesting to try to develop a detailed model of acupuncture in TGD framework (motivation came from the comment of Ulla to earlier posting). Consider following assumptions.

  1. ATP (metabolic energy) - negentropic entanglement connection is true and formation of high energy phosphate bond generates somehow negentropic entanglement.

  2. Pain means loss of negentropic entanglement and healing at the fundamental level - in particular pain relief - involves regeneration of negentropic entanglement.

  3. Fundamental metabolic energy currencies correspond to zero point kinetic energies E0≈ π2 /2mL2 at space-time sheets labelled by p-adic primes determining their size scale L=(hbar/hbar0)Lp. Therefore the generation of metabolic energy storages means at fundamental level driving charged particles to smaller space-time sheets (the smaller the space-time sheet, the higher the zero point kinetic energy). The driving force is basically electric force so that electric fields are needed.

  4. Metabolic energy storage - generation of ATP - means generation of negentropic entanglement. Assume that this entanglement is assignable to the smaller space-time sheet.

    1. The simplest possibility is that the electrons at this space-time sheet form Cooper pairs and negentropic entanglement is between them. The decay of Cooper pairs would make ATP unstable and the decay to ADP would mean use of metabolic energy quantum and also a loss of negentropic entanglement. This conforms with the generalized form of the second law allowing generation of genuine negentropy but predicting that it does not last for ever. The lifetime of ATP - about 40 minutes - gives an estimate for the life time of the electronic Cooper pairs. The negative charge of ATP would be due to the electronic Cooper pairs.

    2. A simple estimate for the order of magnitude of Kähler magnetic energy of the flux tube assuming far from vacuum extremal and quantization of the Kähler magnetic flux (BKS= n× hbar for constant magnetic field in a flux tube of cross section S) shows that the Kähler magnetic energy is much higher than zero point kinetic energy of electron pair. Especially so for large values of hbar since magnetic energy behaves as EB∝ hbar3L0/S by the proportionalities B∝ hbar B0 and L= hbar L0. In this case the magnetic flux tube should be pre-existing and correspond to acupuncture meridian emerging from the node.

    3. For near vacuum extremals the flux tube could be generated in the process. The use of the metabolic energy would mean dropping of electrons to larger space-time sheet and possibly even the disappearence of the magnetic flux tube in this case. This option does not look too plausible however.
  5. The generation of metabolic energy storages (ATP) requires energy feed. In the formation of ATP from ADP
    the acceleration of protons and electrons in the electric of cell membrane plays a key role. The electric energy gained in the process is transformed to metabolic energy and could means the formation of a flux tube carrying the Cooper pair. Assume that a similar process occurs also in much longer length scales for weaker electric fields scaling like 1/hbar2 for given p-adic prime (and 1/Lp2 as function of p-adic length scale) so that electric potential between the ends of the flux tube remains the same. Assume that quantum direct currents are in question. If so, the function of the direct currents of Becker can be identified as a manner to generate metabolic energy and negentropic entanglement. This is natural since healing is involved.

Armed with these assumptions one can try to understand why metal needles are essential for acupuncture.

  1. The basic idea is that the presence of the needle makes possible the generation of direct quantal currents accelerating electrons in electric field which is sum of pre-existing field and the field possibly generated by
    the needle. After gaining some minimum energy electrons can jump to a smaller space-time sheet and give rise to negentropically entangled Cooper pairs.

  2. The needle could serve as a mere donor of electrons giving rise to a quantal direct current in turn leading to the generation of metabolic energy and negentropic entanglement.

  3. Second possibility is that the needle also generates a strong additional contribution to the existing electric field.

    1. Basic wisdom from from electrodynamics is that any sharp conducting charged object - such as metal needle- tends to create a strong electric field around the tip. This is the reason for why one should not go below a tree during thunder storm. Suppose that acupuncture needle becomes charged when touching the skin. One could test this assumption by replacing acupuncture needles with non-conducting material to see whether the healing effect is lost. One could also test whether the metal need is in non-vanishing potential with respect to Earth or measure directly the electric field in the vicinity of the needle tip.

    2. If the needle generates negative charge, an opposite charge must be generated somewhere else and electric field lines connecting the needle and its end to it. These field lines could be along magnetic flux tubes carrying also longitudinal electric field. The natural assumption is that the flux tubes correspond to meridians emanating from the acupuncture node to which needle is sticked to. Another possibility is that needle remains neutral as total but develops a density of surface charge via polarization in existing electric field. Also in this case an additional electric field is generated and should be analogous to that of a a thin electric dipole in external electric field.

    3. Under these assumptions quantum currents can flow along the meridians and load the metabolic batteries provided the strength of the generated field is high enough. The situation could resemble quite closely to that for the generation of nerve pulse. There would be pre-existing electric field along flux tuve not too far from critical for the generation of quantal direct current. The field generated by the needle would induce depolarization so that quantal direct current of some minimal strength could flow between the ends of the flux tube with acceleration giving providing electrons with energy making possible transfer to the smaller space-time sheet.

Nanna Goldman et al have provided empirical evidence for the expectation that the healing effect of the acupuncture involves metabolism (see the popular article in Sciencedaily).

The group has found that adenosine is essential for the pain killing effects of acupuncture. For mice with a normal adenosine level acupuncture reduced dis-comfort by two-thirds. In special "adenosine receptor knock-out mice"
acupuncture had no effect. When adenosine was turned on in the tissues, the discomfort was reduced even in the absence of acupuncture. During and after an acupuncture treatment, the level of adenosin in tissues near the needles was 24 times higher than before the treatment. In the abstract of the article it is stated that it is known for long time that acupuncture generates signals which induce brain to generate natural pain killing endorphins but that also adenosine acts as a natural pain killer.

Adenosine is the basic building block of AXP, X=M,D,T (adenosin-X-phosphate, X=mono,di,tri). Therefore the findings suggest that the electric fields generated or amplified by the presence of acupuncture needles loads metabolic batteries by generating ATP. Adenosine could be partially generated as decay products of AXPs. Tissue itself could
increase adenosine concentration to make possible its transformation to AXP utilizing electric field energy. From the popular article one cannot conclude whether the authors propose a connection with metabolism. The results are consistent with the assumption that the AXPs generated from adenosin accompany negentropic entanglement. This can occur in the scale of entire body and meridians could also make possible direct signalling with brain.

The contents of this posting can be found also at my homepage as an article with title Quantum Model for the Direct Currents of Becker.


Hamed said...

Dear Matti,

It is some magic and interesting that only replacing “/” instead of * after SU(3)at gauge group of standard model “SU(3)*SU(2)*U(1)” leads to a lot of beautiful results! CP2 has very well defined structures but the other has not!

“Only 4 of the 8 imbedding space coordinates are dynamical by general coordinate invariance.” Why?
And how many-sheetedness can circumvent objections against this reduction in local degrees of freedom?

At “The replacement of superposition of classical fields with superposition of their effects forces many-sheeted space-time in TGD. Particle touches several sheets and experiences corresponding forces. Nothing ad hoc!! Sorry for repeating this idea: it is so beautiful!;-)”
What does “Effects” means? (More precisely please) I don’t understand what difference is between superposition of classical fields and superposition of their effects? said...

Dear Hamed,

an amusing co-incidence. As a matter fact, electroweak U(2) and corresponding sugroup of SU(3) are closely related because both relate to CP_2 geometry: holonomy group of spinor connection (spanned by parallel translations around closed loops at given point) and isometry group acting on CP_2 points and preserving distances).

SU(3) acting as isometries defines color group and the action of its subgroup U(2) sugroup on spinor indices defines what might be identified as strong isospin in the model of strong interactions based on hadrons as basic entities. This is relatively new result about which I told month or two ago.
As a matter fact, the connection between color group and strong isospin is very unclear in QCD.

One can always take for of H- coordinates as space-time coordinates. They are not dynamical variables since varying just these coordinates means that one moves along space-time surface and by general coordinate invariance this does not change the physical situation locally.

Superposition of effects means classically superposition of *forces* associated with different space-time sheets carrying fields: F= F_1+F_2+.. recall that particle has topological sum contacts to all of them. Quantum mechanically particle experiences the sum of effects of gauge potentials.

Superposition of fields would mean that one has just *single* space-time sheet and various fields at it superposition: E= E_1+E_2+.. Since field variables are not primary variables, this kind of superposition is not in general possible: one can superpose only small deformations of space-time sheet orthogonal to the sheet characterized by *four* coordinate changes. Deformation changing em field changes also weak and color gauge field and gravitational field. In ordinary QFTs the changes of various primary fields are independent.

This kind of superposition is extremely limited when one poses also the preferred extremal property: for "massless extremals" superposition occurs only for Fourier components parallel to the massless extremal.

The enormous reduction in the number of field variables - just 4 instead of hundreds in typical gauge theories - would be a catastrophe without many-sheetedness. With many-sheetedness it becomes a blessing. One must however learn to think in terms of many-sheetedness also about macroscopic QED. Second implication is that classical weak and color fields are present also in long length scales. This was for a long time a real worry. Eventually I accepted the fact: TGD predict hierarchy of QCD and electroweak physics. Maybe they will see copy of hadron physics at LHC soon. For leptohadron physics there is a lot of evidence. Also biology could involve in an essential manner copies of QCD and weak physics. Anomalous phenomena like cold fusion could involve scaled variant of weak physics.

L. Edgar Otto said...


I find it interesting that a platinum needle can induce an egg to begin development, parthenogenesis, as of fertilized.

Also interesting is of the 256 chiral forms of the carbons in cholesterol on one of them is recognized by the body. How is that for a binary reduction?

There is too much emphasis on the idea that we need to reduce things to some sort of material process alone- this is a mistake of fundamental principles as in that Scientific American theme this year (Ulla posted in a comment). Apparently, although we have talked in such areas a long time, they are reading our blogs :-)

Superposition, especially where it evokes ideas of dark or mirror matter is a non necessary, not rigid phenomenon in a higher physics- so is the use of group theory and dimensions- thus symmetry.

What of 5 coordinate changes so many state they are not clear about? Are the many sheets not possibly limited to say 5 Euclidean? How is it in mammal eggs when we reach the number 32 cells they are individuals and not 32 clones possible beyond that?

There is greater beauty out there still, and better reasons... not all that seems some zero place is rigid in its scales or energy nor is simply a point. Your idea of particles should deal with these new forms of say not that some are neutral but are intrinsically matter and antimatter. As I said it is a case of logic beyond the ideas or limits of quantum theory. Your title suggests that in such deeper than zero point space negative values can accelerate the bundled otherness of a vacuum... let us not just call these mathematical artifacts where we can simply defeat a theory by some arbitrary interpretation of a sign. (or we are too rigid and limit the math as did our humble correspondent the other day.)

The PeSla said...

To The Pesla:

I was really surprised that it is as if they had been reading our blogs. I think however that string theory big crunch and the failure of standard SUSY are more than enough to serve as motivations for wondering what might have gone wrong in theoretical particle physics.

I hope that a change of attitudes could begin. If Lubosian views based on extreme authority continue to prevail, theoretical particle physics will become the scientific counterpart of Soviet Union.

I have probably said something about Majorana spinors but let us say it again. Basic distinction between TGD and superstring models is that Majorana spinors are not possible in TGD framework. Both B and L are conserved and superpositions of fermions and anti-fermions do not occur.

Of course, in zero energy ontology superpositions of pairs of positive and negative energy states such that positive energy state has varying fermion number are possible. This has nothing to do with Majorana property. Superposition of states with varying number Cooper pairs to form a coherent state is example about this in super-conductivity: in ordinary positive energy ontology it would break super-selection rule stating that states have well-defined fermion number. Maybe this could be seen as an argument by Nature in favor of ZEO;-).

In condensed matter they appear only as a mathematical artifact, not at fundamental level. It is a pity that condensed matter physicists have joined to irresponsible hyping creating misunderstandings
at the layman level.

Ulla said... Photonic Communications and Information Encoding in Biological Systems

Ulla said...

Note, cAMP is a strong amplifyer in the GCPR-receptors, delivering hormonal, medical, etc. signals only, not substance, into cell, giving folding changes, linked to kinases and stressproteins. Without this amplifying the receptors don't work. Note also that nerves NEVER enter the cells. There are also the nanotubes.

Nerve is a polarized/depolarized complex, creating flux-tubes, which are the thing that moves, nothing else. These flux-tubes are modified all the way up and down the nerve. This is why we need the melatonin-sheets (myeline).

Also skin as the only other tissue contain the same melatonin. A polarization/depolarization agent for production of hormones (D-vit) as a signal from environment??? A formation of a barrier?

In brain we have the blood/brain barrier for creating different metabolisms. Brain need more energy than other tissues which also creates a polarization? Brain also use carbohydrates (glucose) more, though made up mostly of fat (much electrical inactive). Does this fact have any importance? Proteins are both acid and basic ones.

In brain we also have the Dura Mater and the CSF-system, and maybe this is more important for the polarization and consciousness? I think so! CSF is very acid.(+) Craniosacral theraphy says this is the important system. It has a pulse of its own and is linked to the connective tissue.

The cortical activity was also discussed by Becker as a possible source for the polarization. Maybe the brain chatter has a purpose? Digital axons more in action? But then also dendrites must work, but they are more analog, spread-out.

Orwin said...

Delbrück's note on "stabilizing" forces in molecular biology, the seed of Schrödinger's negentropy concept:

Delbrück scattering - by virtual matter/anti-matter - confirmed: They say this is the death of theoretical physics!

Topologically massive photons from anyonic physical observables: said...

To Orwin:

To Orwin:

Delbrueck link talks about diffraction of Z rays and even gamma rays. Theoretically this should be impossible. The high energy for ordinary value of hbar makes diffractive effects extremely small. The proposal of the experimentalists is that the strong electric fields present in atomic nuclei somehow change the situation.

What comes in mind is hierarchy of Planck constants. For years ago I considered half jokingly the possibility that hierarchy of Planck constants could imply quantum effects in much longer scales than usually. Diffraction would be a typical quantum effect involving interference. Perhaps even the spots seen sometimes in ordinary camera lense could be analogous to diffractive spots generated by diffraction of large hbar visible photons through a hole (they should usually appear in the scale of visible wavelength about few microns). Take this as a joke.

Scaling of hbar for a fixed photon energy scales up the wavelength of photon. Could large enough scaling of Planck constant make gamma rays to behave like photons with wavelength of say visible photon and imply diffractive effects? Gamma ray could have wavy aspects assigned to say visible photons!

I also proposed that strong classical em fields provide the environment inducing increase of Planck constant at some space-time sheets. The proposal was that Mother Nature is theoretician friendly: when perturbation approach in powers of 1/hbar fails, Mama Nature scales up hbar to make the life of her theorizing children easier-). Strong fields would be the manner to generate large Planck constant phases and dark matter.

Note that cell membrane would be ideal place in this respect: the electric field strength is extremely strong - I have vague memory image that it represents upper bound for field strengths achieved by human means.

Orwin said...

Fields in GR are represented by stress tensors: force/area, but on what surface? Of constant energy density (same dimensions!)? Could this be quantized, not space itself?

Color is also eigma: confined or not? Maybe Hamed is onto something with electrons also confined in topological insulators.

Orwin said...

Acupuncture started with stone needles for lancing boils and abscesses. Now the Schussler cell salt for these is silica, with the Delbrück diffraction!

There's also acupressure/Thai massage, which again makes me think of energy density. Apparently in silicon EM intensity "floods" the degrees of freedom and spills into the parity "dimension".

This speaks of life formed on clay particle or rock surfaces: mica sheets look promising. said...

To Orwin:

Still about Delbrueck. I gave a second look to the popular article about gamma ray refraction. It is somewhat confusing. On one hand it talks on refraction which is geometric optics phenomenon due to different phase velocities of light two media. The direction of light beam changes. Refraction is a is a phenomenon of geometric optics alone and must be distinguished from diffraction.

The article of Max Planck Gesellschaft talks about Delbrueck diffraction of gamma rays on electron positron pairs created in the field of nucleus as a mechanism causing the change of light velocity and thus refractive index. Delbrueck diffraction (ück) is scattering of gamma rays in Coulomb field of nucleus due to the vacuum polarization (electron positron pairs) created by the Coulomb field. If I understand correctly t this diffraction is much larger than predicted by Delbrueck.

I introduced long times ago electropions as bound states of color excitations of electron and positron to explain strange creation of e'e- pairs in heavy ion scattering near Coulomb wall: the expectation had been creation of pairs from vacuum but electropions were generated if TGD is right.

The proposal was that a coherent state of electro-pions is generated in the collision in the non-orthogonal magnetic and electric fields of colliding nuclei. Colered leptons and electropions must correspond to nonstandard value of Planck constant since otherwise the decay widths of weak bosons would be too large.

Could one imagine the analog of Delbrueck scattering as scattering/diffraction of gamma rays from electro-pions in the coherent state of electro-pions. Size scale corresponds to the energy scale of gamma rays if they have energy of order MeV. Large hbar could make the scattering amplitude large. Could one imagine that the classical electric fields of gamma ray beam and nucleus superpose to give strong E.B generating the coherent state of electro-pions?

Could the electric and magnetic fields of nucleus superpose at same space-time sheet in non-orthogonal manner? Silicon nucleus possesses magnetic moment so that it generates dipolar magnetic field which is not orthogonal to radial Coulomb field. But why they would reside at same space-time sheet when they can reside at different space-time sheets?

I found another popular article about the work of Munich researchers: It gives the size of the effect :

deviation of n from 1 is of order 10^(-9)!