Friday, January 05, 2024

Comments about Vopson's second law of infodynamics

I read an article Euronews article about Melvin Vopson's work claiming that the second law of this infodynamics gives support for the simulation hypothesis (see this). Thanks for Matti Vallin for informing me about Vopson's work.

First I want to drop from consideration what looks to me nonsense.

  1. Our senses are only electrical signals that the brain encodes. We are just a biocomputers. This is the first fatal mistake, which, thank God, w are getting rid of as theories of consciousness develop.
  2. The assumption that we are a simulation is non-sensical and explains nothing except maybe Vopson's second rule of infodynamics, which is most probably wrong as will be found. It however creates myriads of questions: for instance, who are those simulators and what physics do they obey?
  3. Vopson's second law of infodynamics is motivated by facts: by the experience with computer codes and corona viruses. Interpretation of these facts does not howerve require Vopson's second law. The system's goal is to have just enough information, only the most significant bits, for it to cope with its tasks. This is because the maintenance of information requires (metabolic) energy and this must be saved.

    If an increase in information as an increase in complexity is followed by an increase in entropy then this would explain why entropy decreases as the genome develops and gets simpler. Complexity, the maintenance of which requires metabolic energy and its input is minimized subject to the constraint that the genome works. In computer science one speaks about compression.

Therefore there seems to be no need for the second main rule of Vopson's infodynamics.

Above I however made some assumptions: the increase of conscious information means increase of complexity accompanied by the increase of entropy and metabolic energy is needed to preserve complexity. How does TGD justify these assumptions and can it explain the findings.

  1. One must explain why an increase of conscious information results in an increase of entropy. One must of course define first what conscious information is, and this cannot be achieved without the theory of consciousness, cognition and quantum biology. In TGD, number theory is an integral part of the physics of cognition.

    The first results of TGD-based cognition was the concept of p-adic entropy as a generalization of Shannon entropy. p-Adic entropies can be interpreted as measures of both algebraic complexity and the amount of conscious information, a universal IQ.

    Conscious information defined as the sum of p-adic entropies turns out to be greater than the usual entropy even though these two quantities are strongly correlated. This information tends to grow in the number theory evolution. Its increase also results in an increase of entropy. Jeremy England has postulated the same on basis of empirical findings, but in TGD it is predicted.

  2. One must also understand why metabolic energy is necessary for the growth of information/complexity. Here, too, number-theoretic physics is needed. It predicts a hierarchy of Planck's constants heff which corresponds to the hierarchy of extensions of rational numbers. heff is proportional to the dimension of the extension and serves as a measure of the algebraic complexity of the extension. The deviation of heff from h means that the phase of ordinary matter in question behaves like dark matter, which would be an essential part of biosystems and would control ordinary biomatter.
  3. The increase of heff requires energy, i.e. metabolic energy. heff tends to decrease spontaneously, so that the system remains complex/intelligent/aware only if it receives metabolic energy continually.

    The minimization metabolic energy feed forces the system to eliminate unnecessary complexity, to represent just the signification bits, and this explains the findings of Vopson and others.

All in all, this endless stream of increasingly bizarre proposals pouring out from the web reflects deep gaps in our understanding and underlying wrong assumoptions. Our view of dark matter is completely wrong, and quantum biology and quantum theories of consciousness and cognition do not exist, and we have completely missed number theory as basic aspect of physics and cognition. There is not even an understanding of what would serve a measure of conscious information!

For a summary of earlier postings see Latest progress in TGD.

For the lists of articles (most of them published in journals founded by Huping Hu) and books about TGD see this.


David said...

Scientist, after decades of study, concludes: We don't have free will

Matti Pitkänen said...

An elegant way to appeal to authority: Scientist concludes! Wau! After decades of study! Wau! There is no other option than to believe! I have concluded after 46 years of study that free will is real. Physicists concluded already century ago that physics is non-deterministic at the fundamental level. The very natural conclusion is that this non-determinism is behind free will but this conclusion is still dangerous since physicalism dominates in funded science.

David said...

Do "I" have free will or does my MB or the collective MB influencing "my" MB have it? ;)

David said...

Where does "my" free will end and yours begin? Can my free will influence things from a distance? Random number generator experiment perhaps provided clues.

Matti Pitkänen said...

The basis question is "What is "I".

In TGD one can only talk about location for the contents of conscious experience since it is not in space-time or in quantum state but generated by the quantum jumps between quantum states.

It is in principle not sensical to say that conscious entity is some region of space-time except as a convenient convention. The entire hierarchy of MBs contributes to my experience and actions that I feel as my own in the region where contents of conscious experience come. Very long scales are can be involved: this depends on how spiritual the experience is. There are very bodily emotions and highly elevated refined emotions, created by say music. Sensory input comes from biological body. This creates the illusion that I am my biological body.

In zero energy ontology (ZEO) causal diamond (CD) defines a region of Minkowski space serving as perceptive field in 4-D sense. One cold say that this region which in statistical sense increases gradually defines the region where my free will applies. CDs of different systems can intersect: for instance, mine and yours.

Magnetic body (MB)can be approximated as a controlling agent since high level intelligence/complexity is located at it. Dark phases of ordinary matter with large h_eff are central.

I could see the effect of my MB to me biological body as a remote mental interaction. Dark photons signals between MB and biological body are essentiual and ordinary<-->dark phase transitions are in key role (Pollack effect). There is now a rather detailed view about basic aspects of quantum biology at molecular level based on notions like MB, Pollack effect and gravitational and electromagnetic quantum coherence in even astrophysical scales.

David said...

Thank you, I will continue to read.