Before continuing it is good to recall the basic argument against the identification of gravity as entropic force. As Kobakidzhe notices neutron diffraction experiments suggests that gravitational potential appears in the Schrödinger equation. This cannot be the case if gravitational potential has thermodynamic origin and therefore follows from statistical predictions of quantum theory: to my opinion Verlinde mixes apples with oranges.
Verlinden's argument
Consider now Verlinde's recent argument.
- Verlinde wants to explain the recent empirical finding that the observed correlation between the acceleration of distant stars around galaxy with that of baryonic matter (see this) in terms of apparent dark energy assigned with entanglement entropy proportional to volume rather than horizon area as in Bekenstein-Hawking formula. This means giving up the standard holography and introducing entropy proportional to volume.
To achieve this he replaces anti-de-Sitter space (AdS) with de-Sitter space(dS) space with cosmic horizon expressible in terms of Hubble constant and assign it with long range entanglement since in AdS only short range entanglement is believed to be present (area law). This would give rise to an additional entropy proportional to volume rather than area. Dark energy or matter would corresponds to a thermal energy assignable to this long range entanglement.
- Besides this Verlinde introduces tensor nets as justification for the emergence of gravitation: this is just a belief. All arguments that I have seen about this are circular (one introduces 2-D surfaces and thus also 3-space from beginning) and also Verlinde uses dS space. What is to my opinion alarming that there is no fundamental approach really explaining how space-time and gravity emerges. Emergence of space-time should lead also to the emergence of spinor structure of space-time and this seems to me something impossible if one really starts from mere Hilbert space.
- Verlinde introduces also analogy with the thermodynamics of glass involving both short range crystal structure and amorphous long range behaviour that would correspond to entanglement entropy in long scales long range structure. Also analogy with elasticity is introduced. Below Hubble scale the microscopic states do not thermalize below the horizon and display memory effects. Dark gravitational force would be analogous to elastic response due to what he calls entropy displacement.
- Verlinde admits that this approach does not say much about cosmology or cosmic expansion, and even less about inflation.
The physical picture has analogies with my own approach (see this) to the explanation of the correlation between baryonic acceleration with observed acceleration of distant stars. In particular, long range entanglement has the ieentification of dark matter in terms of phases labelled by the hierarchy of Planck constants as TGD counterpart.
- Concerning the emergence of space and gravitation TGD leads to a different view. It is not 3-space but the experience about 3-space - proprioception -, which would emerge via tensor nets realized in TGD in terms of magnetic flux tubes emerging from 3-surfaces defining the nodes of the tensor net (see this) . This picture leads to a rather attractive view about quantum biology (see for instance this).
- Twistor lift of TGD has rapidly become a physically convincing formulation of TGD (see this). One replaces space-time surfaces in M4× CP2 with the 12-D product T(M4× CP2) of the twistor spaces T(M4) and T(CP2) and Kähler action with its 6-D variant.
This requires that T(M4) and T(CP2) have Kähler structure. This is true but only for M4 (and its variants E4 and S4) and CP2. Hence TGD is completely unique also mathematically and physically (providing a unique explanation for the standard model symmetries). The preferred extremal property for Kähler action could reduce to the property that the 6-D surface as an extremal of 6-D Kähler action is twistor space of space-time surface and thus has the structure of S2 bundle. That this is indeed the case for the preferred extremals of dimensionally reduced 4-D action expressible as a sum of Kähler action and volume term remains to be rigorously proven.
- Long range entanglement even in cosmic scales would be crucial and give the volume term in entropy breaking the holography in the usual sense. In TGD framework hierarchy of Planck constants heff=n× h satisfying the additional condition heff=hgr, where hgr=GMm/v0 (M and m are masses and v0 is a parameter with dimensions of velocity) is the gravitational Planck constant introduced originally by Nottale , and assignable to magnetic flux tubes mediating gravitational interaction makes. This makes possible quantum entanglement even in astrophysical and cosmological long length scales since hgr can be extremely large. In TGD however most of the the galactic dark matter and energy is associated with cosmic strings having galaxies along it (like pearls in necklace). Baryonic dark matter could correspond to the ordinary matter which has resulted in the decay of cosmic strings taking the role of inflaton field in very early cosmology. This gives automatically a logarithmic potential giving rise to constant spectrum velocity spectrum modified slightly by baryonic matter and a nice explanation for the correlation, which served as the motivation of Verlinde.
- Also glass analogy has TGD counterpart. Kähler action has 4-D spin glass degeneracy giving rise to 4-D spin-glass degeneracy. In twistor lift of TGD cosmological term appears and reduces the degeneracy by allowing only minimal surfaces rather than all vacuum extremals. This removes the non-determinism. Cosmological constant is however extremely small implying non-perturbative behavior in the sense that the volume term for the action is extremely small and depends very weakly on preferred extremal. This suggests that spin glass in 3-D sense remains as Kähler action with varying sign is added.
- The mere Kähler action for the Minkowskian (at least) regions of the preferred extremals reduces to a Chern-Simons terms at light-like 3-surfaces at which the signature of the induced metric of the space-time surface changes from Minkowskian to Euclidian. The interpretation could be that TGD is almost topological quantum field theory. Also the interpretation in terms of holography can be considered.
Volume term proportional to cosmological constant given by the twistorial lift of TGD (see this) could mean a small breaking of holography in the sense that it cannot be reduced to a 3-D surface term. One must be however very cautious here because TGD strongly suggests strong form of holography meaning that data at string world sheets and partonic 2-surfaces (or possibly at their metrically 2-D light-like orbits for which only conformal equivalence class matters) fix the 4-D dynamics.
Volume term means a slight breaking of the flatness of the 3-space in cosmology since 3-D curvature scalar cannot vanish for Robertson-Walker cosmology imbeddable as a minimal surface except at the limit of infinitely large causal diamond (CD) implying that cosmological constant, which is proportional to the inverse of the p-adic length scale squared, vanishes at this limit. Note that the dependence Λ∝ 1/p, p p-adic prime, allows to solve the problem caused by the large value of cosmological constant in very early cosmology. Quite generally, volume term would describe finite volume effects analogous to those encountered in thermodynamics.
Could TGD allow to resolve the basic objection against gravitation as entropic force or generalize this notion?
- In Zero Energy Ontology quantum theory can be interpreted as "complex square root of thermodynamics". Vacuum functional is an exponent of the action determining preferred extremals - Kähler action plus volume term present for twistor lift. This brings in gravitational constant G and cosmological Λ constant as fundamental constants besides CP2 size scale R and Kähler coupling strength αK (see this). Vacuum functional would be analogous to an exponent of Ec/2, where Ec is complexified energy. I have also considered the possibility that vacuum functional is analogous to the exponent of free energy but following argument favors the interpretation as exponent of energy.
- The variation of Kähler action would give rise to the analog of TdS term and the variation of cosmological constant term to the analog of -pdV term in dE= TdS- pdV. Both T and p would be complex and would receive contributions from both Minkowskian and Euclidian regions. The contributions of Minkowskian and Euclidian regions to the action would differ by a multiplication with imaginary unit and it is possible that Kähler coupling strength is complex as suggested in (see this).
If the inverse of the Kähler coupling is strength is proportional to the zero of Riemann zeta at critical line, it is complex and the coefficient of volume term must have the same phase: otherwise space-time surfaces are extremals of Kähler action and minimal surfaces simultaneously. In fact, the known non-vacuum extremals of Kähler action are surfaces of this kind, and one cannot exclude the possibility that preferred extremals have quite generally this property.
- Suppose that both terms in the action are proportional to the same phase factor. The part of the variation of the Kähler action with respect to the imbedding space coordinates giving the analog of TdS term would give the analog of entropic force. Since the variation of the entire action vanishes this contribution would be equal to the negative of the variation of the volume term with respect to the induced metric given by -pdV. Since the variations of Kähler action and volume term cancel each other, the entropic force would be non-vanishing only for the extremals for which Kähler action density is non-vanishing. The variation of Kähler action contains variation with respect to the induced metric and induced Kähler form so that the sum of gravitational and U(1) force would be equal to the analog of entropic force and Verlinde's proposal would not generalize as such.
The variation of the volume term gives rise to a term proportional to the trace of the second fundamental form, which is 4-D generalization of ordinary force and vanishes for the vacuum extremals of Kähler action in which case one has analog of geodesic line. More generally, Kähler action gives rise to the generalization of U(1) force so that the field equations give a 4-D generalization of equations of motion for a point like particle in U(1) force having also interpretation as a generalization of entropic force.
- There however an objection against this picture. All known extremals of Kähler action are minimal surfaces and there are excellent number theoretical arguments suggesting that all preferred extremals of Kähler action are also minimal surfaces so that the original picture would be surprisingly near to the truth. The separate vanishing of variation implies that the solutions do not depend at all on coupling parameters as suggested by number theoretical universality and universality of the dynamics at quantum criticality. The discrete coupling constant evolution makes it however visible via boundary conditions classically. This would however predicts that the analogs to TdS and pdV vanish identically in space-time interior.
The variations however involve also boundary terms, which need not vanish separately since the actions in Euclidian and Minkowskian regions differ by multiplication with (-1)1/2! The variations reduce to terms proportional to the normal component of the canonical momentum current contracted with the deformation at light-like 3-surfaces bounding Euclidian and Minkowskian space-time regions. These must vanish. If Kähler coupling strength is real, this implies decoupling of the dynamics due to the volume term and Kähler action also at light-like 3-surfaces and therefore also exchange of charges - in particular four-momentum - becomes impossible. This would be a catastrophe.
If αK is complex as quantum TGD as a square root of thermodynamics and the proposal that the spectrum of 1/αK corresponds to the spectrum of zeros of zeta require, the normal component of the canonical momentum current for Kähler action equals to that for the volume term at the other side of the bounding surface. The analog of dE=TdS-pdV=0 would hold true in the non-trivial sense at light-like 3-surfaces and thermodynamical analogy holds true (note that energy is replaced with action). The reduction of variations to boundary terms would also conform with holography. Strong form of holography would even suggest that the 3-D boundary term in turn reduces to 2-D boundary terms.
A possible problem is caused by the variation of volume term: g41/2 vanishes at the boundary and gnn diverges. The overall result should be finite and should be achieved by proper boundary conditions. What I have called weak form of electric-magnetic duality allows to avoid similar problems for Kähler action, and implies self-duality of the induced Kähler form at the boundary. A weaker form of boundary conditions would state that the sum of the variations of Kähler action and volume term is finite.
See the article Emergent gravity and dark Universe or the chapter TGD and GRT of "Physics in Many-Sheeted Space-time".
For a summary of earlier postings see Latest progress in TGD.
5 comments:
Matti, many researchers are at least -considering- that there is an entropic gradient "quality" to gravity. What if there the notion of 'gradient' is valid but the conventional definition of entropy being restricted to thermodynamics is not quite right -- thus indicating that we need to redefine entropy in some new way? can you conceive of that possibility? And what comments do you have on such a notion? Jamie
I think that the entropy interpretation is excluded by simple experimental fact: neutron Schrodinger equation is shown to couple to gravitational potential of Earth. This was observer long time ago. This would mean that thermodynamic quantity would appear in Schrodinger equation. This makes no sense since thermodynamics is implied by quantum theory as statistical description. This does not depend on detailed identification of entropy.
I proposed above a formal generalization for gravitation as entropic force based on quantum theory as square root of thermodynamics view making sense in TGD and zero energy ontology. Exponent of Kahler action + volume term interpreted as analog of thermodynamical weight of complex partition function Z would give the analot of dE=TdS-pdV. For extremals S and V are separately stationary (minimal surface extremals of Kahler action and analogous to geodesic lines) or there is a coupling (coupling to Kahler force). I wrote about this just today in this blog. Note that ZZ* could correspond to Boltzman weight. In this approach however quantum states would be analogs of thermodynamical ensemble. Ensemble would be realized at single particle level.
Thank you Matti. I need to ask a simplistic related question. What would a general equation look like that described the formation of a basic hydrogen atom - taking into consideration a random electron and random proton -- all possible vectors, proximities, momentums, EM fields strengths, et al. That is, a formulas group that would allow plugging in all possible variables, such that the output would describe what conditions would permit or allow Hydrogen atom formation, and also what factors would prevent or dis-allow mutual capture and atom formation? Jamie
Hydrogen atom has many models. All started with Bohr model which semiclassical with quantization rules. Then came Schrodinger equation and after that Dirac equation. Hydrogen atom is incredibly symmetric system: symmetry group of rotations extends to a dynamical symmetry group mathematically isomorphic with rotation group in 4-dimensions. Parameters are masses of proton and electron and their spins. Fine structure constant.
Quantum field theoretic description of bound stats was for me a disappoinment. The descriptive power of QED is not enough. Something is missing and I dare guess what it is;-)
Right, Matti. I share your sentiment that "something is missing". The models you mention are 'after the fact' descriptions. I do not think they address -- factors that discuss atom formation specifically. Although, as I keep listening to popular video programs that discuss cosmic processes, they always casually say things like, "when initial big bang temperatures got low enough, atoms formed". So I assumed that some one, some where, had some note papers or computers, with equations that specified when the p~e electromagnetic field strengths overcame the 'passing velocities' of the two particles, so that they 'coupled'. Is it just my hopeful imagination, or do such relational equations really exist? And correspondingly, that there are equations that compile the parameters that lead to 'de-coupling'. Is it accurate that Kahler metrics address these behaviors & processes? Jamie
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